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Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by nudq »

motorogo wrote: post #23
trox wrote: post #21

I often get into arguments with people not believing in the consequences of climate change, especially when it's about the melting glaciers. People reason that finding ancient objects hints to low ice levels at numerous times in the last millennias. My reaction is to reason about the implications of melting ice (ex. sea level rise), which I cannot really back up with facts. Is there another way to argue about this?

You can absolutely back up concerns about sea level rise with facts: https://skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm Some just choose to ignore them.

> Some just choose to ignore them

Some... like smart people with lots of money.

Because, you know, the prediction market in nice oceanfront properties beloved by the coastal elites hasn't collapsed, even tough their tongues say they believe.

Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by nudq »

mkl wrote: post #15
cs02rm0 wrote: post #11

If an arrow shaft was found from about 1500 years ago, does that imply there probably wasn't ice there at the time? Or were people hunting on the ice then?

The latter. Anything under the glacier would be pulverised into dust (the glaciers even carve out their own valleys). These artefacts must have started up above the ice (on top or down a crack), so the people would have been hunting on the ice or maybe travelling across it.

I don't think we can simply assume that starting position matters to "pulverization" after 1500 years.

Mobility is more likely; the mobile object moves along with the ice, the stationary one gets pulverized.

Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by journalctl »

egdod wrote: post #29

> You've completed your member preview for this month, but when you sign up for a free Medium account, you get one more story. Fuck Medium.

Just letting you know I downvoted this because it contributes nothing to the conversation that we haven’t heard a million times before. Yes, Medium sucks ass. I’m sorry. I hate it too. But to see this on every. Single. Thread. involving a Medium article makes me want to pull every last goddamn hair out. The fact that it’s the top comment right now speaks to HN’s apparent inability to actually discuss the content of an article instead of a million other tangential things about the article, the most popular of which being whether or not it’s hosted on Medium.

Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by phkahler »

bbbobbb wrote: post #38
Plyphon_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Incognito gets you around this. I know it's beside the point. However incognito is the laziest of bypasses to a subscription-wall which tells me Medium aren't really behind it as a strategy anyway.

Or just deleting the medium cookies (two clicks, same tab, no incognito needed). If there is an easy way to block all cookies from a specific domain without an extension, that would be nice too..

How to do that on android?

Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by lallysingh »

journalctl wrote: post #44
egdod wrote: post #29

> You've completed your member preview for this month, but when you sign up for a free Medium account, you get one more story. Fuck Medium.

Just letting you know I downvoted this because it contributes nothing to the conversation that we haven’t heard a million times before. Yes, Medium sucks ass. I’m sorry. I hate it too. But to see this on every. Single. Thread. involving a Medium article makes me want to pull every last goddamn hair out. The fact that it’s the top comment right now speaks to HN’s apparent inability to actually discuss the content of a…

The venue blocks access. Linking to an inaccessible article will get complaints. That's the appropriate response.

If HN refused medium articles, this problem would solve itself. What value does medium provide to be worth losing HN as a source of traffic?

Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by edoo »

motorogo wrote: post #23
trox wrote: post #21

I often get into arguments with people not believing in the consequences of climate change, especially when it's about the melting glaciers. People reason that finding ancient objects hints to low ice levels at numerous times in the last millennias. My reaction is to reason about the implications of melting ice (ex. sea level rise), which I cannot really back up with facts. Is there another way to argue about this?

You can absolutely back up concerns about sea level rise with facts: https://skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise.htm Some just choose to ignore them.

I don't trust that website. I know for a fact that their #4 issue is a bust. I tracked down the 'consensus' paper that had 97% of a few dozen climate scientists say that humans are having an impact. I don't believe in CAGW because of the math, and I agree with those 97% scientists. The rest of the papers that reference the 97% consensus fail to qualify it that the consensus was about any impact at all however little. I think CO2 having a logarithmic warming effect should frankly be the end of the argument.

Re: Ancient artifacts dislodged by climate change

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Post by basch »

Plyphon_ wrote: post #33
egdod wrote: post #29

> You've completed your member preview for this month, but when you sign up for a free Medium account, you get one more story. Fuck Medium.

Incognito gets you around this. I know it's beside the point. However incognito is the laziest of bypasses to a subscription-wall which tells me Medium aren't really behind it as a strategy anyway.

uMatrix, can granularly block js, cookies, css etc on a per site and per domain (different elements loading into a site) basis.

Blocking all cookies and javascript on medium has minimal to no negative impact on my experience.

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