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Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by shadowgovt »

jgon wrote: post #19

I don't want to get into the weeds discussing the ins and outs of the various things that have happened with RMS and the FSF. I have my own opinions on whether or not these moves were warranted. Separate from that I guess my largest worry is that this is another step on the road to a complete neutering of the Free Software movement, and the increasing corporate enclosure of the software commons. The one thing I feel…

It's a complicated question, but I think the real decline of true free software commons was probably around the time cloud services proved so valuable. Cloud provides huge leverage to some end-users for getting to the goal of doing the thing they want to do with the software, and it utterly side-steps the Four Freedoms via the simple expedient of "You don't own the hardware the software runs on."

GNU hasn't had an answer to this besides "boycott it," which feels an awful lot like horse-riders suggesting we deal with the problems with cars by never owning or supporting ownership of them.

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by mattl »

nabla9 wrote: post #33
zapita wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also not a single woman on that list of Stallman supporters, as far as I can tell. EDIT: I misread, it’s not a letter of support to Stallman. Sorry.

It's a list of people against RMS.

Not at all. I'm one of the people who signed it.

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by TeMPOraL »

iamasoftwaredev wrote: post #40
TeMPOraL wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This whole thing started with a pedantic e-mail and a blogger that got offended and decided to slander RMS. The media then lied about RMS defending a pedophile. And now 'SnarkAsh is implying that RMS was harassing people by exposing his manhood. This is why fighting the cancel mob is so important. Lies accumulate.

> The media then lied about RMS defending a pedophile They should have stuck to the other times he defended pedophilia and child porn instead.

Perhaps they should have. But they didn't. I guess because recycling very old statements wouldn't make for enough of a story, especially not compared to just lying about current events.

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by iamasoftwaredev »

hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #9
sounds wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. Do you feel the FSF is irresponsible? If not, what are you trying to say? Can you share any specifics? What evidence do you have to back up your claims?

Yes. They got rid of RMS based on slander and libel. They are no long relevant to Free Software.

and truth and past actions.

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by shadowgovt »

fierarul wrote: post #17
butchlugrod wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "hit piece" was written by Stallman himself.

> If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.

Cardinal Richelieu. Maybe; origin of the quote is a bit disputed.

In any case, it's a cute sentiment but it's unclear it has any bearing on a world that isn't an authoritarian universe with a power-protected clergy class. Perhaps in terms of modern-day utility, we can interpret it as a warning to always check primary sources, not trust someone else to have accurately or honestly arranged six lines of text from a third party.

(Unfortunately for rms, the primary sources don't actually make him look that good in this situation, since he decided to "um actually" a conversation about rape).

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by ehvatum »

lone_haxx0r wrote: post #39
SnarkAsh wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[redacted]

Please, provide a source for your claim of sexual harassment. (You won't because it's false)

Everyone knows that RMS is a bad houseguest and socially awkward, and women use plants to keep him away. It is known.

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by zeko1195 »

jedberg wrote: post #24
zeko1195 wrote: post #22

This might be a noob question but can someone explain me how mailing lists are used in software projects. I keep seeing these archived emails that are posted. Could someone fill me in?

Mailing lists are still the best async method for discussing meta issues with regards to a project, when the people who work on it span the globe. Basically you post to the list if you have a meta issue and then everyone replies. It can get pretty tough to follow if you're using email, but most of these had (still have?) mail news gateways, so you could use a threaded Usenet reader to keep track of all the forks in t…

Thank you for your response. I have a better understanding now. How is spam dealt with? Do people get banned quickly? Also, who archives these emails. Do they automatically get archived for public viewing?

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by TeMPOraL »

ehvatum wrote: post #47
lone_haxx0r wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please, provide a source for your claim of sexual harassment. (You won't because it's false)

Everyone knows that RMS is a bad houseguest and socially awkward, and women use plants to keep him away. It is known.

What you wrote and what 'SnarkAsh wrote are to each other like poke in the nose is to murder.

Re: No Radical Changes in GNU Project

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Post by swsieber »

ng12 wrote: post #23
Aissen wrote: post #16

For context, I think it's an answer to this open letter from GNU developers: https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2019/joint-statement-on-the-gnu-pr...

> Stallman’s behavior over the years has undermined a core value of the GNU project: the empowerment of all computer users The notion that empowered means shielded from opinions you might disagree with seems odd.

Contrast that with Ellen Degeneres responding to people dismayed that she sat next to George W. Bush during a game (warning, video in the tweet):

https://twitter.com/TheEllenShow/status/1181395164499070976

Basically, it's okay to be friends with people we disagree with (and really, we ought to).

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