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Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#41

Post by markus_zhang » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:34 AM UTC

ldigas wrote: post #22

While, in the beginning, a very active user, I've long now given up on that network. I can't remember when was the last time I asked a question without being forced to defend it for a period of at least a few hours, why it shouldn't be closed as a duplicate, offtopic or ... It used to be an excellent network, but nowadays it's just script-kiddies-playing-admins/editors playground. It is no longer a productive technic…

Just curious, by saying specialized forums did you mean the sub stack exchanges? Like dba or gamedev, or something else?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by u-dissolve » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:34 AM UTC

This reminds me of the time when stack exchange updated their terms of service to include an arbitration clause. The community was in uproar over this decision, yet the clause stands to this day.

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309746/a-new-2018-u...

Stack overflow's terms of service is pretty terrible, receiving the worst rank in terms of user hostility on TOS;DR.

https://tosdr.org/#stackoverflow

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#43

Post by shp0ngle » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:34 AM UTC

King-Aaron wrote: post #4

I remember when Stack Exchange was about fixing broken code.

Stack Exchange started a lot of other sites on the side.

Some of them are about religions, and that brings on politics. Since religion and politics are intertwined.

https://christianity.stackexchange.com

https://islam.stackexchange.com

https://judaism.stackexchange.com

https://buddhism.stackexchange.com

https://hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

https://hinduism.stackexchange.com

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#44

Post by hisnameismanuel » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:34 AM UTC

parsimo2010 wrote: post #23

fenwick67 wrote: post #7

I would love a nice couple paragraphs that said "here's what happened", otherwise taking any side in this is just taking shots in the dark, I'm basically reading "certain events happened with a certain individual and that's not okay"

If you're not aware of the drama, then it really isn't meant for you. The following threads have some background (and dang has linked a few more threads leading up to these): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21175225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21176712 The tl;dr (but still pretty long) is that Stack Overflow instituted a new Code of Conduct that required the use of a person's [preferred] pronouns. This…

I understand your intention is positive, and I enjoyed the nuance of your post.

As a member of the 'entire LGBTQ+ community', we're not monolithic, or even close to it. SO is the first mainstream website (at least in the circles I run in) that has even attempted this kind of thing.

I'm willing to cut them a little slack as they navigate a topic which has been incredibly fraught.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#45

Post by peterkelly » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:36 AM UTC

moneywoes wrote: post #25

xibalba wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As asked: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2064709.html

Is there a TLDR of what happened anywhere?

Based on GP's link: Controversy over gender pronouns

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#46

Post by sesuximo » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:38 AM UTC

chimi wrote: post #13

Honest Question: Why continue to support stack exchange through this? They have shown themselves to be disingenuous at best. They are now profiting off free labor. They started it because ExpertsExchange was hiding answers. They rode the high horse to hypocrisy. Why continue helping people like that succeed? Why not just start a new one? Leave en masse to a new playground. Speak with your answers. Show the powers tha…

This is the last straw for me. The ads were also out of control.

Real documentation is better anyway!

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#47

Post by itake » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:38 AM UTC

moneywoes wrote: post #25

xibalba wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As asked: https://cellio.dreamwidth.org/2064709.html

Is there a TLDR of what happened anywhere?

Moderator got fired for wanting to not use pronouns at all, because they though preferred pronouns were confusing to non-native English speakers instead of preferred pronouns.

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#48

Post by anon12345690 » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:39 AM UTC

yea these pronouns affect like 0.01% of people but go ahead and worry about them instead of everyone else and youll ruin every community

when are people gonna figure out that you cant make everyone happy and the people who whine about pronouns wont ever stop

nice downvotes lol, cant handle the truth?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

#49

Post by Pfhreak » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:39 AM UTC

ben174 wrote: post #15

It's incredible that pronouns can bring down an entire community. Pick you battles please, we're losing good things because of this silly conflict.

Right? Like, just accept people and call them what they ask to be called? Why make a big deal out of someone who prefers they or xe or he or she or whatever?

Re: Dear Stack Exchange, Inc.

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Post by bluetwo » Mon, Oct 07, 2019, 3:40 AM UTC

dangus wrote: post #26

I'm totally out of the loop about what this drama is about, and I'll stay that way. These are unpaid community moderators. They are essentially volunteers doing this work because they want to. So let's ponder to ourselves and relate this to our own lives, what kind of relationship do we have with the organizations and people we do volunteer work with? If you're at a point where you're so dissatisfied that you're writ…

I have to agree: Voice your concerns and then vote with your feet.

That said, I am confused as to why a letter representing a group of people adept at concise and clear communication would have no real goals or structure.