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Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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The same article has other stat that says anywhere between 30-300 million are considered middle class. Is there a consensus among economists on what the real number is ?

My wife’s most cited and quoted paper is on correctly defining the Indian middle class. Happy to share the link if there’s interest.

I’m interested, please post the link to the paper.

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once. It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only…

Please, read more about the project. IITs aren't "colonial institutions".

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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I hope they will be more involved in the open-source electronic design software than other countries. Software like LibreCAD[1] and FreeCAD[2], Yosys[3] and Symbiflow[4], Chisel/FIRRTL[5], OpenROAD initiative[6], Degate[7], and many others.

[1] https://librecad.org/

[2] https://www.freecadweb.org/

[3] http://www.clifford.at/yosys/

[4] https://symbiflow.github.io/

[5] https://www.chisel-lang.org/

[6] https://theopenroadproject.org/

[7] https://github.com/nitram2342/degate

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once. It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only…

There is little precedence of such a deeply colonial state ever being able to help its subjects in a meaningful way America was a British colony, too, once upon a time.

US, Canada, Australia are/were rather different sorts of colonies from India or Malaysia.

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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You vastly underestimate the size and diversity of India. Their middle class is bigger than that of the USA or I think even that of the entire EU. The can have a low rate on pretty much every statistic, while still having a higher total amount of it than us, simply due to.the sheer size of people. They could have an entire state, more modern, rich and with more people than Germany, while keeping their current statist…

He’s a closet Hindu nationalist

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar.

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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> To the west, it sees its most talented engineers working in Silicon Valley. By pouring millions of dollars into Indian-made semiconductors, India’s government hopes to solve both problems at once. It really can't. Considering the "rootless" nature of Indian urban life, education and society, both culturally and linguistically, the lack of "pull" ensures that any money you pour into its colonial institutions is only…

Yup, that Delhi-Lucknow Ganga-Jamni tehzeeb is deeply rootless. I’m sure Mamta didi et al and the by now Bengali minority in Kolkata are happy you’re dubbing them as deeply rootless.

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar.

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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We will never have competitive chips that are open down to the transistor and process level. Down to the RTL, sure. But a truly open competitive chip, never ever. You might get one on some ancient process from 20 years ago, which will be handily outclassed in every single metric except openness, which people make noise about but don't actually pay for (so no business case).

A ~20 year old process... that'd be 250nm or 180nm, which is Just Fine for many microcontrollers, if not the new 600mhz-1ghz Cortex M7's...

If the 180nm design is good enough, and migrated it to a new process, you'd get more chips per wafer.

Hence never competitive. "It's open!" doesn't make a business decide to buy a million and put them in a product - cost, features, availability, support do.

Nobody cares about "open silicon" - it's only spouted by people who don't understand actual electronics, or if they do, they certainly don't understand the economics.

It will never happen. If it did, it wouldn't be useful. It makes zero sense.

Re: Fab in India: India is trying to create an indigenous chip-making industry

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife’s most cited and quoted paper is on correctly defining the Indian middle class. Happy to share the link if there’s interest.

I’m interested, please post the link to the paper.

Yes, I’m interested too.
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