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Dutch police take down hornets' nest of DDoS botnets

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Re: Dutch police take down hornets' nest of DDoS botnets

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Geenstijl doesn't have high journalist standards.

But they do have to follow the law, which is his point.

Sometimes there is no law necessary because an industry regulates themselves. Which the Dutch press historically has done so, in this example.

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It's mandatory if the newspaper want to continue being a respected newspaper. So for all intents and purposes it's mandatory.

I can second this. You don't read the full names of suspects (!) in a newspaper in Germany. I believe this is actually due to the law here (e.g. if they're innocent, their name is not ruined). That is somewhat relaxed, as long as they're not a public figure (e.g. no one would say "Angela M. is suspected to be a physicist" if it's about the German Chancellor) and as long as it's clear from the article that they're not…

Well I dunno about germany but over here in the netherlands there's no real law about not using full names. However if a paper does use someones full name and then that person gets their reputation ruined they will usually get a lower sentence if guilty. The idea being that getting your reputation ruined is a punishment in itself.

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I can second this. You don't read the full names of suspects (!) in a newspaper in Germany. I believe this is actually due to the law here (e.g. if they're innocent, their name is not ruined). That is somewhat relaxed, as long as they're not a public figure (e.g. no one would say "Angela M. is suspected to be a physicist" if it's about the German Chancellor) and as long as it's clear from the article that they're not…

Well I dunno about germany but over here in the netherlands there's no real law about not using full names. However if a paper does use someones full name and then that person gets their reputation ruined they will usually get a lower sentence if guilty. The idea being that getting your reputation ruined is a punishment in itself.

There is currently a court case against a drugs kingpin where one of the reputable newspapers does mention his full name, but each time followed by "-- the suspect's lawyer has indicated the suspect has no objection to his full name being used" (once per article of course)

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Is it just me, or are the majority of raids of malware/botnet hosters typically in the EU? I mean just 6 days ago a raid was cunducted on a old NATO bunker in Germany. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090549

Is it that it's easier to become a hosting provider there with more protections (rights) and/or does America/NA lack the legal authority/process to conduct as many raids. Obviously eastern Eurupe/Russia is the wild west but I'm just suprised how much comes out of western Europe.

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I thought the initial `D` in DDOS sttod for "distributed". The article reports about "DDoS botnets operating on KV's infrastructure". Wouldn't "DDoS botnets operated from KV's infrastructure" be a better description?

I run a distributed system on AWS infrastructure. It's still distributed by all common usage of the word.

If your system goes down together with Amazon, it's not distributed, it just occupies several machines - a farm.

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"hosting all sorts of badies, from phishing pages to vulnerability scanners, and from crypto-mining operations to malware repositories." Is crypto-mining now a bad thing or is this article leaving out some details that I'm missing?

It absolutely is a bad thing. Unfortunately it's not illegal.

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Is it just me, or are the majority of raids of malware/botnet hosters typically in the EU? I mean just 6 days ago a raid was cunducted on a old NATO bunker in Germany. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090549 Is it that it's easier to become a hosting provider there with more protections (rights) and/or does America/NA lack the legal authority/process to conduct as many raids. Obviously eastern Eurupe/Russia is…

I'm curious why Eastern Europe/Russia are the wild west of douchey internet behavior. I mean there are seemingly endless bulletproof hosting providers. Who wakes up in the morning with the ultimate goal of being slimy on purpose like that? And why are there so many of them concentrated in Russia/Eastern Europe?

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Is it just me, or are the majority of raids of malware/botnet hosters typically in the EU? I mean just 6 days ago a raid was cunducted on a old NATO bunker in Germany. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090549 Is it that it's easier to become a hosting provider there with more protections (rights) and/or does America/NA lack the legal authority/process to conduct as many raids. Obviously eastern Eurupe/Russia is…

I'm curious why Eastern Europe/Russia are the wild west of douchey internet behavior. I mean there are seemingly endless bulletproof hosting providers. Who wakes up in the morning with the ultimate goal of being slimy on purpose like that? And why are there so many of them concentrated in Russia/Eastern Europe?

I'd assume that the ultimate goal that motivates most of them is to make money to improve other parts of their lives.

That often boils down to reaping the gains and externalizing the costs, which these hosting solutions seem to do fairly well for their owners (though perhaps not for the operators that get caught up in the eventual stings).

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Is it just me, or are the majority of raids of malware/botnet hosters typically in the EU? I mean just 6 days ago a raid was cunducted on a old NATO bunker in Germany. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21090549 Is it that it's easier to become a hosting provider there with more protections (rights) and/or does America/NA lack the legal authority/process to conduct as many raids. Obviously eastern Eurupe/Russia is…

I'm curious why Eastern Europe/Russia are the wild west of douchey internet behavior. I mean there are seemingly endless bulletproof hosting providers. Who wakes up in the morning with the ultimate goal of being slimy on purpose like that? And why are there so many of them concentrated in Russia/Eastern Europe?

As far as I know, it's at least partially because Russia doesn't extradite citizens and doesn't respond to other countries requesting they investigate.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I run a distributed system on AWS infrastructure. It's still distributed by all common usage of the word.

If your system goes down together with Amazon, it's not distributed, it just occupies several machines - a farm.

If your system goes down together with (the Earth|DNS Routing|ISPs), it's not distributed, it just occupies several machines - a farm.
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