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Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Extensive air pollution from China or India that surpasses the West also doesn't seem to get much attention, e.g. [1] [2] Greta visited the US and gave some compelling speeches. Will she visit China and India and do the same? [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-... [2] https://qz.com/india/1581665/indias-carbon-emissions-growing...

I believe the issue is that they aren't denying the effects like the Trump administration is.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

So the ocean is being overfished and is being polluted by fishing. The clear answer is to ban fishing. Though, as someone who dislikes all seafood, this is easy for me to say.

Like prohibition in the US, a ban that is unpopular and impossible to enforce can be counterproductive. Consider the difficulties in enforcing a ban on something that 1) Millions of people depend on for their livelihood; 2) Happens in the middle of the ocean.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

It'd be great if fishers needed to be checked for how many nets they have on board and then checked when they arrive and then be fined for the difference.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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This is known. The number I have heard floated around is 45%. So, commercial fishing nets are a big problem when it comes to plastic in the oceans. And here we are "saving the planet", by reducing the plastic straw consumption: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/07/18/anti-straw-mo... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-06-07/plasti... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/business/plastic-straws-b...…

So your proposal is what, New York City should somehow ban ocean fishing, instead of controlling plastic waste in it's jurisdiction?

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Wonder if this will have an impact on plastic straw bans on land. It was always a feel-good hi-viz, low-impact measure given little evidence behind the measures.

> a feel-good hi-viz, low-impact measure

Isn't this all that politics is?

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Extensive air pollution from China or India that surpasses the West also doesn't seem to get much attention, e.g. [1] [2] Greta visited the US and gave some compelling speeches. Will she visit China and India and do the same? [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-... [2] https://qz.com/india/1581665/indias-carbon-emissions-growing...

You literally just linked to two large publications talking about the issues you think don't get attention. India/China air pollution is pretty well known - it was in the media for decades now.

It was actually bad enough, that Beijing was apparently fixing it for the last 20 years: https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/27645/...

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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post #30

Extensive air pollution from China or India that surpasses the West also doesn't seem to get much attention, e.g. [1] [2] Greta visited the US and gave some compelling speeches. Will she visit China and India and do the same? [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2018/07/01/china-emits-... [2] https://qz.com/india/1581665/indias-carbon-emissions-growing...

A lot of that air pollution is emitted producing products for the US & European markets.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

So the ocean is being overfished and is being polluted by fishing. The clear answer is to ban fishing. Though, as someone who dislikes all seafood, this is easy for me to say.

"Approximately 1 billion people people are dependent on fish as the principal source of animal protein"

http://www.suds-en-ligne.ird.fr/ecosys/ang_ecosys/intro1.htm

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seafood haters unite! You're the only other person I've ever found who doesn't like seafood, I feel like we should form a club or something.

Smells like death to me.

Most raw meat smells disgusting.

Re: Ocean plastic waste probably comes from ships, report says

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Most of this comes from a single type of ship waste: "Half of the great Pacific garbage patch is made up of fishing nets, by weight, according to a report published last year in Scientific Reports."

It'd be great if fishers needed to be checked for how many nets they have on board and then checked when they arrive and then be fined for the difference.

Or only allow certified nets, and make them cost so much that you'll never want to dump them in sea.
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