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Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, you know, literally any Canadian payment processor

But the article states the problem are the funds are going to a US bank. If believed, she could just have the funds go to a Canadian bank and the problem is solved. Doesn’t really have anything to do with Square.

The funds are already in the US bank, and it won't release them.

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

30 seconds on Google suggests Payfirma, Moneris, and TD Merchant Services, all headquartered in Canada. I haven't deep-dived on any of them, so those specific ones may not be suitable. But Canadian banks exist, and Canadian payment processors exist. This can't be hard.

They probably also suck by comparison. But she should move to one of them now that she's aware of the problem.

Hard to suck worse than literally not processing any payments.

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

30 seconds on Google suggests Payfirma, Moneris, and TD Merchant Services, all headquartered in Canada. I haven't deep-dived on any of them, so those specific ones may not be suitable. But Canadian banks exist, and Canadian payment processors exist. This can't be hard.

They probably also suck by comparison. But she should move to one of them now that she's aware of the problem.

No interface sucks more than not getting paid...

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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They need to just give her the $14k immediately and then eat it if it's a problem. Stop processing the transactions going forward or until it's sorted out, but do not steal her money. Also, I found this distasteful: "I want to clarify that Square is not experiencing a technical glitch. While I cannot speak with you about Monica's individual case, I can tell you that Square's Customer Success team spoke with Monica ye…

If the question is legal liability for violating sanctions, releasing the $14K could put them on the hook for much more than $14K in liability.

Not releasing can put them in violation of Canada's Foreign Extraterritorial Measures Act so they are between a rock and a hard place (particularly Foreign Extraterritorial Measures (United States) Order, 1992 https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-92-584/p...)

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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It's beyond time to end the embargo against Cuba.

And it's beyond time Cuba end it's 2 ounce coffee rations every 15 days for Cuban citizens. That wouldn't last me 15 minutes. per Wiki: "Domestic distribution is currently limited to two ounces of coffee rations every 15 days for Cuban citizens.[13]

the article you cite also states "the total number of hectares where coffee is harvested in Cuba has fallen from 170,000 hectares (420,000 acres) in 1961 to 28,000 hectares (69,000 acres) in 2013." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_production_in_Cuba)

Why do you think that is now?

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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> "I was kind of shocked and mad, because we're a Canadian company using Cuban goods bought and sold in Canada," Using an American payment company and an American bank, both of which are subject to American laws and aren't going to risk breaking a trade embargo, regardless of whether this particular case is 100% legal or not. Also not sure why the headline says Square Canada when the article makes it clear that it is…

It is illegal for a Canadian company, in Canada, to be subject to or comply with American extraterritoriality laws surrounding Cuba.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-92-584/p...

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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I used to (nearly 20 years ago) roast coffee in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory Canada, and folks from Alaska would often stop in the shop. People that bought Cuban coffee often requested it be rebagged and just labelled “coffee” for about the same reason.

Hey I just stopped in at midnight sun coffee roasters for the first time last week. Good place.

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it's beyond time Cuba end it's 2 ounce coffee rations every 15 days for Cuban citizens. That wouldn't last me 15 minutes. per Wiki: "Domestic distribution is currently limited to two ounces of coffee rations every 15 days for Cuban citizens.[13]

the article you cite also states "the total number of hectares where coffee is harvested in Cuba has fallen from 170,000 hectares (420,000 acres) in 1961 to 28,000 hectares (69,000 acres) in 2013." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee_production_in_Cuba ) Why do you think that is now?

Specifically, two events: "The plant was introduced by Jose Antonio Gelabert in the 18th century. French colonists later brought their own production methods and by the time of the Cuban revolution in 1959 the country was a major global exporter.

The political context and nationalisation of the industry led to much-reduced production."

followed by another whopper: " With the collapse of the Soviet bloc, Cuba lost 80% of its export trade." https://www.perfectdailygrind.com/2018/09/exploring-cubas-co...

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Square should definitely set this right ASAP she's not doing anything against. I wonder if she had named her stand Canada Beans, would this have happened? The nerve

“Setting things right” would, in this case, potentially set Square afoul of federal law. Worse, not doing so may violate Canadian law.

International law is wildly complicated and full of landmines. I suspect Square would strongly prefer to just disburse $14,000 and set things right. Unfortunately the cost of doing so potentially involves prison time for anyone who made that happen.

Even something as innocuous-sounding as explaining to the merchant why they can’t release their funds is potentially grounds for an arrest. Whenever you see an article or blog post about Square, Stripe, Venmo, PayPal, or any other financial company having a pissed-off customer who’s owed money and can’t even get a support person to explain what’s wrong, the answer is virtually inevitably OFAC, and there is often literally no legal path forward to make the affected party whole at that point.

Re: Square Canada has a Cuban coffee issue

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Square says it's "working on" getting Mustelier her money back. I feel like, at this point, they ought to simply pay her out of their own pocket. They were the ones who put her money in a bank that was not fit for purpose. Even if they didn't realize this would happen, they've violated their obligation to her, and they need to fix it now, not after a few more months of wrangling.

The fact that they’re “working on it” should be a strong hint that it is not as simple as writing the merchant a check and wiping their hands of the situation. As a US financial entity, Square is subject to the same laws and regulations as JP Morgan, the bank holding on to the frozen funds.
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