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Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by bredren »

lazyguy2 wrote: post #26
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

And he is being replaced by a former Marlboro employee. I am sure the public will feel so much safer knowing that the advertising will be handled by a Big Tobacco veteran moving forward.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

From previous discussions here, I took that Juul juice is formulated differently than other vaping juices, with a much higher nicotine amount.

I agree vaping can help stop cigarette use, but I am not sure they are all equally good at this.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by mc32 »

eganist wrote: post #23
mc32 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Making pure ingredients compliant with good manufacturing process is expensive. It has lots of redundancy and things on the outside we consider waste. But experience tells us all these measures are necessary to ensure we get what we expect to get when we buy products that can cause great harm if incorrect.

> when we buy products that can cause great harm.

Hmmm, just look up Thalidomide and Germany. As well as Sulfa drugs to find out why rigor in testing and efficaciousness as well as purity of ingredients is paramount and why they have established such stringent controls.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by 34679 »

dntrkv wrote: post #31
34679 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next up: regulatory capture. Vaping right now is super cheap because of all the options from different companies. So what's a multibillion dollar international conglomerate to do? Well, make the little guys go away with onerous regulations, of course. It's the American Way™.

A Juul habit is not super cheap, it’s more expensive than an equivalent cigarette habit, by far.

JUUL's competition is super cheap. Which is why JUUL/Phillip Morris will lobby to have most of them regulated out of existence. You can get a bottle of the same strength juice that's in a JUUL pod for the same price as a pack of pods. But the bottle has 30mL and the pack has 2mL.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by mieseratte »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #35

They reached out to me on LinkedIn. Don't know why they need software engineers, but I don't think I'm aligned with their mission -- whatever it may be.

Should've at least talked to a recruiter to hear them out, I'd be too curious not to. Years back I'd had a recruiter for one of the world's largest pornographers reach out to me, was very interesting to learn about what they do and how they do it.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by rsuelzer »

dntrkv wrote: post #31
34679 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next up: regulatory capture. Vaping right now is super cheap because of all the options from different companies. So what's a multibillion dollar international conglomerate to do? Well, make the little guys go away with onerous regulations, of course. It's the American Way™.

A Juul habit is not super cheap, it’s more expensive than an equivalent cigarette habit, by far.

Exactly, that's why they want regulatory capture to force people to use their closed systems.

I spend maybe 25 dollars a month in liquid for my tank. None of that money is going to big Tobacco which is why they are going to push for rules that force people to buy their expensive disposable products.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by ceejayoz »

Alex3917 wrote: post #32
lazyguy2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

> This is why Vaping, which should cut these lung cancer rates by over 95%, is one of the most important public health break-throughs in recent memory. I mean smoking shouldn't really cause cancer to begin with. It really depends on how much radioactive material is in ecigs, which afaik we don't know yet.

Radioactivity is not the driver of lung cancer in cigarettes.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by rsuelzer »

kjar wrote: post #8

There is an emerging argument that vaping is less health damaging than smoking and it likely is, however, Nicotine addiction is key to the business model and that will not change.

Assuming that they can remain the only suppliers of Nicotine.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by tozeur »

Alex3917 wrote: post #32
lazyguy2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

> This is why Vaping, which should cut these lung cancer rates by over 95%, is one of the most important public health break-throughs in recent memory. I mean smoking shouldn't really cause cancer to begin with. It really depends on how much radioactive material is in ecigs, which afaik we don't know yet.

Was that sarcasm?

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by tomnipotent »

lazyguy2 wrote: post #26
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

And he is being replaced by a former Marlboro employee. I am sure the public will feel so much safer knowing that the advertising will be handled by a Big Tobacco veteran moving forward.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

> Were as the small companies, that make up the bulk of the vape market, cannot

Juul owns 70% of the vape market.

Re: Juul Labs CEO to Step Down

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Post by xphilter »

lazyguy2 wrote: post #26
AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #2

And he is being replaced by a former Marlboro employee. I am sure the public will feel so much safer knowing that the advertising will be handled by a Big Tobacco veteran moving forward.

All the 'big names' companies like 'Juul' and 'Blu' are heavily invested in by 'Big Tobacco'. These are the companies you see in gas stations and convenience stores across the America. But these big companies can't compete with all the Vape Shops that are insanely popular and are everywhere. This is why there is just a big hubbub over regulation and the deaths over black market Marijuana cartridges. These massive cor…

"This is why Vaping, which should cut these lung cancer rates by over 95%, is one of the most important public health break-throughs in recent memory."

Not so sure about this. If the recent lung illnesses are tied to vaping, then that really can't be true.

Also, the 154,000 dying of lung cancer would undoubtedly be those who started smoking tobacco decades ago. The overall trend of smoking tobacco is downward. That alone would decrease the future number of lung cancer deaths. Hard to pin that on vaping, which seems to be (even just a few short years after widespread adoption) is leading to sudden cases of lung illnesses/deaths.

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