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Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by ceejayoz »

oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

> So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations without proof like that would get serious. Does that make them evil?

Sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_and_Colorado_serial...

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by busterarm »

oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

`“I whistle blew a colleague who used the N-word in jokes. HR found nothing conclusive”`

I was once asked in an HR investigation about a similar accusation where I was present in the room when a coworker was supposed to have said this slur in a joke.

Not only was the word not said, but the actual context of the conversation reported was that the accused party was decrying a public figure for making blatantly racist statements. I made it absolutely clear to HR that nobody in the room would tolerate even the slightest bit of racism -- none of us would find that acceptable in any way.

Certain people have sensitivities such that they will overhear things in passing and then inject words into a conversation that were never said. It's just like that game of telephone we all play as kids that somehow everyone forgets the lessons of by adulthood.

That's my charitable interpretation of the reporter's actions in this circumstance. Given their wild accusations about a recent new hire who is a minority though, I suspect something more nefarious and that HR process might be used as a weapon by an actual racist here.

My point is just that evidence is important and that probably most companies don't want the blowback of letting a known racist get away with it because that sort of thing tends to blow up in public later.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

nkingsy wrote: post #8
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

Seems like we are learning by doing how this stuff should be handled. Some people in the gray areas are going to get burned, some complaints will be considered too much, and eventually we will get through the white supremacist patriarchal backlog and move on to some other new cultural change process, hopefully carbon.

> Some people in the gray areas are going to get burned,

The ends justify the means right?

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by anoncareer0212 »

aaomidi wrote: post #31
oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

> Your manager thought you were overreacting, given whatever proof / accusations you provided. Just because he / she did not agree with it, does not mean they are evil. In a company the size of google, managers aren't the people that should have an opinion on this matter. What that manager said, assuming this document is valid, is absolutely terrible. Heck, if some manager in my hypothetical company told someone that…

Somewhat blissfully, work isn't a court of law, and the source document makes clear everyone and their mother knew what was going on, and they knew the employee would go public with these claims, and yet had the courage to not throw someone else under the bus so they could appear morally pure

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by booboolayla »

nkingsy wrote: post #8
cybersnowflake wrote: post #5

More evidence, as if we needed any more, that past a certain point being 'woke' is an exercise in futility. The most 'woke' megacorp in the world can't do it. The most 'woke' countries in the world can't do it. (theres more whining and complaining about socjus in Scandanavia per capita than just about anywhere else in the world). No matter how far you go in tearing down the patriarchy or intersecting the insectionali…

Seems like we are learning by doing how this stuff should be handled. Some people in the gray areas are going to get burned, some complaints will be considered too much, and eventually we will get through the white supremacist patriarchal backlog and move on to some other new cultural change process, hopefully carbon.

I think people like yourself will end up on an island or somewhere else very remote, with all the chances to build the utopia you're ready to destroy our civilization for. You'll have no "patriarchy", "white supremacy" nor "climate change." You'll have everything you need, except common people to blame and try to extort money from.

Majority of revolutions failed, and it seems like folks like you never learned about the consequences of trying to "change the world" and failing.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by Nasrudith »

claudeganon wrote: post #6

I hope that Googlers can work toward creating a labor organization that helps them resolve these issues, because in light of all this and after Google HR’s involvement in the wage-fixing scandal, it seems obvious that things are pretty rotten in terms of their internal governance.

That raises some interesting questions about dynamics and alternatives. HR is infamous for their primary role being liability prevention or more crudely stated ass-covering.

Do you know of any alternative systems in place to resolve issues?

Even if Google wanted to form some sort of employee handled board or arbitration to decide how to handle accusations they would still be liable. And that is ignoring messy office politics involved in that sort of empowerment, bad actors, or just flaws of many parajudicial systems.

That companies would still be liable isn't neccessarily a bad thing as otherwise it could be delegated into a bigotted council and violate all sorts of discrimination laws at will. Any innovative system would need to address those issues as well.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by wtdata »

cybersnowflake wrote: post #23
sergiotapia wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I identify as a LatinX female" miss me with that imperialist shit. we're latino and latina.

Thats the funny thing. You're basically erasing the Spanish language with the nongendered approach of English by using the term.

The sentence is written in English, there is no Spanish language in the sentence to be erased.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by jellicle »

oliverx0 wrote: post #22

I realise I might get downvoted here because of an unpopular point of view, but some of these comments raise a few flags: “I reported it up to where my manager knew, my director knew, the coworker’s manager knew and our HR representative knew. Nothing happened. I was warned that things will get very serious if continued,” So EVERYONE knew and they still disagreed with their point of view. Warned them that accusations…

Good companies have policies that any good-faith reports of sexual harassment, racial discrimination, fraud or abuse at the company, or any other similar event _shall not_ be subject to any bad consequences or disciplinary action, even if the complaint/report is not found to be substantiated or serious enough for the organization to take action on. No retaliation for people raising issues.

Google either doesn't have such a policy or it isn't followed, as shown by the linked article.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by busterarm »

gowld wrote: post #36
throwawaysea wrote: post #13

What came of the employees threatening physical violence against James Damore? Were they fired?

Link to more info?

Just look at the documents submitted as discovery for his lawsuit. The chat logs and emails are all there.

Re: Google Employees Explain How They Were Retaliated Against for Reporting Abuse

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Post by freshbob »

Pfhreak wrote: post #11
cybersnowflake wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

okay I understand people downvoting me because they don't like what I say but I wish I'd at least get an explanation why I'm constantly being flagged if I'm just stating an unpopular opinion without any trolling, spam, or personal attacks (against other commentators. People here regularly attack article subjects so I assume thats okay).

I'll bite: > years ago where the brainwashing kicked in Brainwashing is a value judgement, an insult directed at the opposing point of view. > any normal person anywhere in the world who would honestly tell me this sounds like a well adjusted sane individual who wouldn't in all probability be a human headache for everyone around them? Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely di…

> Wait, actually this whole sentence is just entirely an insult. You've completely dismissed any opposition as 'insane' or 'abnormal' or 'not well adjusted'.

And he is completely right.

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