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Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by samstave »

erikrothoff wrote: post #5

My twin brother was born by caesarean. He gets asthma attacks from allergies that I don’t have. I’ve wondered for a while what effect a faecal transplant could have...

If you decide to do this, please document heavily and report back on results.

Anecdotally, I am Norwegian genetically, and it has been said that the scandanavians are the group that developed the gut biome to be able to eat cheese/dairy - and I eat a TON of cheese each year (and I suffer no ill affects (I’m super lean and tall and skinny))

Whereas one of my exes was Asian and would get IBS whenever she ate cheese.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by bitwize »

oneepic wrote: post #25
bitwize wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that sounds like a "crunchy Karen" practice...

I don't want to google "crunchy Karen" at work...can someone post a description here?

"Crunchy Karen" is a stock character who advocates dubious medical practices and preaches moralizingly, patronizingly to others to do the same.

Where I got the term from is a friend of mine is part of a Facebook support group for women who have particularly unproductive breasts and are tired of being told to risk starving their babies by adopting a breastfeeding-only policy or face moral recriminations.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by samstave »

toolslive wrote: post #29
certmd wrote: post #7

My younger brothers are identical twins, one born vaginally and the other 20 min later via C-section. I've always said they'd be good data for these type of studies. Anecdotally, they don't really have big differences regarding allergies or autoimmune disorders. Although growing up I always complained one stunk up the bathroom worse than the other.

Any idea how frequent this (the first naturally, the second via C-section) is ?

Well, it would seem that when it does happen it’s a 50/50 split

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by bitwize »

reneherse wrote: post #26
oneepic wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to google "crunchy Karen" at work...can someone post a description here?

Seems like a misogynist stereotype used to unthinkingly dismiss an argument.

Go you for aspiring to the lofty levels of discourse exemplified by places like Tumblr, and immediately flagging expressions they don't like as "sexist" or "misogynistic" without any context for how they're used and who's using them. You missed your chance for bonus good-boy points by using "alt-right" or "incel".

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by robbiep »

trhway wrote: post #33

the mother probably gets antibiotics before caesarean. Does that antibiotic make it into the baby? That would mean that beside not getting the good vaginal mix of bacteria (that mix among other benefits seems to be able to control candida yeast growth which is a big deal on its own), the bacteria set that the baby already possesses gets hit by the antibiotic, a double whammy of sort.

A Caesar mother does get a stat of antibiotics before opening. In crash caesars this would barely have time to distribute; normal operating procedure calls for the dose to occur 30 min to 1 hr before skin incision though.

You have a bit of a misunderstanding here - a baby does not have a microbiome in the womb - it is a sterile environment

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by irrational »

Syzygies wrote: post #40

Many of us Caesarian babies didn't get "vaginal seeding" at birth, but have been trying to catch up ever since.

You joke, and are being downvoted, but I had never ever thought about cunnilingus affecting ones gut biome. Is that ridiculous or even possible?

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by bitwize »

wdbbdw wrote: post #36
filoleg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk man, I feel kinda ok with dismissing antivax/essential oils/healing crystals theories. Especially considering how many children got harmed (some to the point of death) by "crunchy karens" who decided that they know better than modern medicine and doctors. While every topic deserves to be questioned and not dismissed, some have been argued to death already, and I would feel ok with not getting into an argument abo…

Conflating microbiome interests with antivax mania doesn't make any sense to me, and I agree that "crunchy Karen" is a dismissive sexist tropE, especially in this context. Do any of you have even a passing familiarity with modern microbiome research? It's super fascinating and I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it.

Most of us have heard of it. You can't log into this site and not hear of it. "Gut bacteria" is a square (alongside the likes of "Rust" and "Bitcoin") on my Hackernews bingo card.

But there are scientifically validated treatments and then there's folk medicine of unknown safety and effectiveness, and putting gauze swabbed with vagina juice in your baby's mouth sounds a lot like the latter.

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by robbiep »

toolslive wrote: post #29
certmd wrote: post #7

My younger brothers are identical twins, one born vaginally and the other 20 min later via C-section. I've always said they'd be good data for these type of studies. Anecdotally, they don't really have big differences regarding allergies or autoimmune disorders. Although growing up I always complained one stunk up the bathroom worse than the other.

Any idea how frequent this (the first naturally, the second via C-section) is ?

Increasingly in developed countries twin births are caesars; the risk profile of twin births often necessitates this for patient safety.

When a normal vaginal delivery is possible (ie first twin cephalic) generally the second will follow. My partner (obgyn Resident ) says she has had 2 twin births where the first was vaginal and the second Caesar, out of roughly a couple hundred

Re: Caesarean babies have different gut bacteria, microbiome study finds

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Post by gehwartzen »

samstave wrote: post #37
filoleg wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

idk man, I feel kinda ok with dismissing antivax/essential oils/healing crystals theories. Especially considering how many children got harmed (some to the point of death) by "crunchy karens" who decided that they know better than modern medicine and doctors. While every topic deserves to be questioned and not dismissed, some have been argued to death already, and I would feel ok with not getting into an argument abo…

The only issue I have had with vaccines, I have three daughters, all vaccinated; but I just don’t like how they cram like six vaccines into a single doctor visit. My middle daughter got the chicken pox vaccine right before we went on vacation to Chicago. When we got to Chicago, she got the chicken pox actually from the vaccine. I was there for work and wife and daughter were supposed to be fiddling about the city whi…

Same here. Our son has gotten all the required vaceenes but we also opted for two at a time max. Aside from being less convenient (2-3x as many visits) he still had all his shots by the time they were needed. Maybe it makes no difference but it certainly seems less taxing overall to the immune system.
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