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Re: A Reflection on the Departure of RMS

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Post by eesmith » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 9:03 AM UTC

foobar_ wrote: post #38

eesmith wrote: post #37

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"then there's plenty of examples right there of women who do not consider those to be 'friendly behavior' even when the men regard it as such." Which undermines your earlier thesis.

It's right there ... https://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/simone-de-beauvoir-a-n... My thesis is fairly simple. 1. Autism, Asperger types have a hard time interpreting sarcasm, body language, talking behind people's back while keeping a tactful appearance, reading the emotional atmosphere of the room and verbal communication which is not literal. These are called social skills and women are better at it. It takes a…

There is nothing there about "feminist popes", or Galileo.

Your thesis, as presented here, is internally inconsistent, weakly supported, and depends on overgeneralized extrapolations.

As I wrote earlier, if your #1 is, then it "means that Stallman should have been kicked out long ago because he was being surrounded by enablers and yes-men who didn't provide the feedback he needed for his position."

Which is one of the arguments presented in this link.

Your #2 is unsupported because you haven't shown that most women thought Stallman was ugly. While I've been able to demonstrate places where women thought Stallman was a creep.

Your #3 is irrelevant because Stallman is not being silenced. He can continue to speak as he wishes. He is just not able to use his associations with MIT or the FSF to support his speech.

This is part-and-parcel of the right of free association, which is an essential liberty.

Re: A Reflection on the Departure of RMS

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Post by foobar_ » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 9:32 AM UTC

eesmith wrote: post #41

foobar_ wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's right there ... https://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/simone-de-beauvoir-a-n... My thesis is fairly simple. 1. Autism, Asperger types have a hard time interpreting sarcasm, body language, talking behind people's back while keeping a tactful appearance, reading the emotional atmosphere of the room and verbal communication which is not literal. These are called social skills and women are better at it. It takes a…

There is nothing there about "feminist popes", or Galileo. Your thesis, as presented here, is internally inconsistent, weakly supported, and depends on overgeneralized extrapolations. As I wrote earlier, if your #1 is, then it "means that Stallman should have been kicked out long ago because he was being surrounded by enablers and yes-men who didn't provide the feedback he needed for his position." Which is one of th…

Sure I'll take criticism .... you don't even have a thesis to begin with. You don't even have evidence other than tweets of who are they even? Some two yes-men for women? Haven't we seen that before.

You can research these ... conditions.

And you conveniently ignore pedo feminists for your own political victimhood narrative.

Re: A Reflection on the Departure of RMS

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Post by eesmith » Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 9:34 AM UTC

foobar_ wrote: post #42

eesmith wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing there about "feminist popes", or Galileo. Your thesis, as presented here, is internally inconsistent, weakly supported, and depends on overgeneralized extrapolations. As I wrote earlier, if your #1 is, then it "means that Stallman should have been kicked out long ago because he was being surrounded by enablers and yes-men who didn't provide the feedback he needed for his position." Which is one of th…

Sure I'll take criticism .... you don't even have a thesis to begin with. You don't even have evidence other than tweets of who are they even? Some two yes-men for women? Haven't we seen that before. You can research these ... conditions. And you conveniently ignore pedo feminists for your own political victimhood narrative.

My thesis is that ""fat and ugly" is not the definition of a creep." It was the first sentence of the first comment I made in this thread.

Re: A Reflection on the Departure of RMS

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Post by nessus42 » Tue, Sep 24, 2019, 12:31 AM UTC

speedplane wrote: post #40

jeegsy wrote: post #25

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"The fall of the clueless nerd" indeed. The headline in the wired story linked triggers the hell out of me. I suppose we have come full circle, Nerds suck, then they were cool and now they have been consigned back to uncool again. For the life of me, based on the snippets i've seen regarding his interactions with women, the only advice I can give him and ppl like him if they could have a do-over is stay away from wom…

> the only advice I can give him and ppl like him if they could have a do-over is stay away from women period Stallman could have been a quirky, uncompromising, and passionate personality and still treat women like equals. Being a "genius" is not a good (or even sensical) excuse to treat people poorly. If anything, it shows you're not really a genius after all.

> If anything, it shows you're not really a genius after all.

Plenty of geniuses have not treated people well. Newton was a complete asshole. Even Einstein, who was a staunch defender of civil liberties at a time when most of his peers weren't, wrote some rather unpleasant things about the Chinese in his personal journal.

I agree completely that being a genius is no excuse for treating people poorly. But unfortunately history is littered with such people.

Re: A Reflection on the Departure of RMS

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Post by speedplane » Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 6:44 AM UTC

nessus42 wrote: post #44

speedplane wrote: post #40

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> the only advice I can give him and ppl like him if they could have a do-over is stay away from women period Stallman could have been a quirky, uncompromising, and passionate personality and still treat women like equals. Being a "genius" is not a good (or even sensical) excuse to treat people poorly. If anything, it shows you're not really a genius after all.

> If anything, it shows you're not really a genius after all. Plenty of geniuses have not treated people well. Newton was a complete asshole. Even Einstein, who was a staunch defender of civil liberties at a time when most of his peers weren't, wrote some rather unpleasant things about the Chinese in his personal journal. I agree completely that being a genius is no excuse for treating people poorly. But unfortunatel…

> Plenty of geniuses have not treated people well. Newton was a complete asshole. Even Einstein ... wrote some rather unpleasant things about the Chinese in his personal journal. ... being a genius is no excuse for treating people poorly. But unfortunately history is littered with such people.

I suspect that many of these "geniuses" only became difficult personalities after they recieved recognition and had a taste for power. Power corrupts, it allows people to do things without regarding people that may be affected by their actions.

I don't think there's just a simple correlation between people deemed geniuses and them having difficult personalities. Rather, I suspect there's a causal effect between being granted the "genius" title and abusing the accompanying power that leads to a difficult personality.