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Re: Update on AB5

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Perfect way to eliminate the competition via regulatory lock out

It's not really sharing anyway.

Yeah, the term really got me when I first heard about Uber... my thoughts was it was more like a near-demand carpool service to pull together extra passengers for where you were going anyway (for a small fee). Reality it's more like a Taxi service with private vehicles.

Still wouldn't mind seeing another ride share app with carpooling as the focus.

Re: Update on AB5

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post #24
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As someone who drives Uber on occasion when I'm a little bored and looking for something to do, I think it's great that I'm not an Uber employee. I can do 10 hours or I can do 0 hours based on nothing but my own whim. I don't have a problem with people organizing to get a better deal for themselves, but I like the way it works now. I've worked for companies that misclassify workers, and Uber isn't it as far as I unde…

Edit: Removed my comment as it conflicted with the guidelines

Certainly it's an annoying trait to claim that a statement you disagree with is disingenuous/insincere.

Re: Update on AB5

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's like saying Yellow Cab is not a taxi company because the drivers are independent contractors who lease their cars from the company, and it doesn't actually drive anyone around. And yes, Uber does lease cars to its drivers.

Source on uber leasing cars? I was only able to find this: https://www.uber.com/us/en/drive/vehicle-solutions/ which talks about paying for a rental car to uber people in

Try this one: https://www.uber.com/gb/en/drive/vehicle-solutions/

Re: Update on AB5

#44
post #8

As someone who drives Uber on occasion when I'm a little bored and looking for something to do, I think it's great that I'm not an Uber employee. I can do 10 hours or I can do 0 hours based on nothing but my own whim. I don't have a problem with people organizing to get a better deal for themselves, but I like the way it works now. I've worked for companies that misclassify workers, and Uber isn't it as far as I unde…

Genuine question: Why would classification as employee automatically mean an end to the flexible work times?

To my knowledge, there are numerous business areas where it's possible to negotiate flexible work hours, so wouldn't this be here possible as well?

Re: Update on AB5

#45
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>Bringing drivers access to robust portable benefits like sick leave and injury protection; What? Those are embarassing offers. > Our proposal avoids the potential harm of forcing drivers to be employees, whether or not they want to—and the vast majority tell us they don’t want to be I would love to see the data behind the 'vast majority'

I'd bet the huge percentage of drivers that simultaneously do Lyft and Uber would not like being an employee of one or the other, as their employer would prevent that.

Re: Update on AB5

#46

Are they really trying to claim that Uber is not a transportation company but instead "a technology platform for several different types of digital marketplaces"? I guess we do live in a post-truth era.

The post was written by their CLO. They are not trying to claim as such, they are succeeding. I am not a lawyer, but I don't think this legal interpretation of the company is a lie. It seems like the classification is constantly under scrutiny. A legal falsehood like you claim it is would've fallen apart by now.

Re: Update on AB5

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post #8

As someone who drives Uber on occasion when I'm a little bored and looking for something to do, I think it's great that I'm not an Uber employee. I can do 10 hours or I can do 0 hours based on nothing but my own whim. I don't have a problem with people organizing to get a better deal for themselves, but I like the way it works now. I've worked for companies that misclassify workers, and Uber isn't it as far as I unde…

There is very little downside for the employee to be classified as such rather than as a contractor. The vast majority of the downside is for the employer. I'm a W-2 employee at the company I work for, and they don't dictate my hours.

Don’t forget the “exempt” vs “non-exempt” status for W-2 workers though.

Re: Update on AB5

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Would love to see source data that Uber is referencing (I know it's not possible, as it's highly guarded secret) - I suspect they cherry pick it a lot. "In the US, 92% of drivers drive less than 40 hours per week, and 45% of drivers drive less than 10 hours per week. [...] We will continue to defend the innovation that makes that kind of choice, flexibility, and independence a reality for over 200,000 drivers in Cali…

It doesn't clearly state if those durations are during an active ride, also including time to pickup, or including time active waiting for a pickup task.

This subtlety could drastically change the data interpretation.

Re: Update on AB5

#49
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ebay matches sellers (who choose what to sell) with buyers (who choose what to buy). Uber tells drivers where to go, and when, if the driver agrees to do the work. Uber regulates the kind of cars acceptable, and regulates who does the work. Your Uber driver can't subcontract the drive to another driver.

uber has in the past successfully claimed that its customers are its drivers and its users are .. its users. They classify both as clients, and it seems to have worked so far. > Your Uber driver can't subcontract the drive to another driver. Even if their ToS does not allow it , it's not the law

Depends on where you are. Some places, it is the law. Or at least part of the terms of your ride hailing license.

Re: Update on AB5

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As someone who drives Uber on occasion when I'm a little bored and looking for something to do, I think it's great that I'm not an Uber employee. I can do 10 hours or I can do 0 hours based on nothing but my own whim. I don't have a problem with people organizing to get a better deal for themselves, but I like the way it works now. I've worked for companies that misclassify workers, and Uber isn't it as far as I unde…

The thing is, I would rather you are more restricted or stop driving for Uber, and full-time drivers get decent terms, then you get to keep your (seemingly) unnecessary side money and full-time people, for whom it is the main job, have substandard conditions and rights.

Ideally there wouldn't be a tradeoff, but in practice it seems like there is one.

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