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Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #23

And just 2 millenniums ago, around 140 B.C., when Romans conquered Carthage (now Tunisia), it was a fertile land and its wheat fields produced enough food to feed the Rome.

And this is what the Thermopylae pass (The battle in 300) looks like today: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #36

Do we know the size and health of the Amazon at this time? I’ve read that the Amazon relies on silt carried from the Sahara.

Did you mean the Nile? I can't think of any method that would get silt from the Sahara in Africa to the Amazon in South America.

Dust storms!

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #36

Do we know the size and health of the Amazon at this time? I’ve read that the Amazon relies on silt carried from the Sahara.

Did you mean the Nile? I can't think of any method that would get silt from the Sahara in Africa to the Amazon in South America.

I think it is Sahara to the Amazon: https://www.wired.com/2015/02/sahara-keeps-amazon-green/

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #43
post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you mean the Nile? I can't think of any method that would get silt from the Sahara in Africa to the Amazon in South America.

I think it is Sahara to the Amazon: https://www.wired.com/2015/02/sahara-keeps-amazon-green/

Dang! That's really wild.

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #36

Do we know the size and health of the Amazon at this time? I’ve read that the Amazon relies on silt carried from the Sahara.

Did you mean the Nile? I can't think of any method that would get silt from the Sahara in Africa to the Amazon in South America.

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Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More broadly, the Middle East in general was once extraordinarily bountiful, but the cumulative effects of natural climate change and thousands and thousands of years of saltwater irrigation have unfortunately desertified much of the region.

Well yeah, and also considering that natural climate change was the most significant issue. Since the Pleistocene ice age ended around 11 thousand years ago, and ever since then the equatorial regions have changed dramatically. Coincidentally this is about the beginning of recorded history, or at least the parts recovered from antiquity. The regions around north Africa, the Arabian peninsula, etc... they all would ha…

One of the cradles, the other being the Chinese, which was lucky enough to be in a lusher climate.

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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Goat?

Probably. And fire also. Desert can become chill at nigh so even if there aren't many trees you need some kind of wood to burn.

At some point the ecosystem just can't regenerate faster enough, the buffer is broken, and all is downhill from that point.

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #4

Changes in the earth's orbit known as its orbital precession, a change in tilt that cycles every 25,000 years, forced the African monsoon rains southward, and the Sahara became drier. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles

Um. Cut down all the trees and a forest has a hard time recovering. The Sahara is likely man-made. Like almost all deserts on Earth except Namibia and Australian which are millions of years old, the rest are mere thousands.

Familiar story. America's Southwest used to be treed grasslands until overgrazing turned them to sand and wasteland.

Re: 5000 years ago Sahara was a green landscape with lakes and rivers

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post #21

Even just 500 years ago most of the Sahara was green.

Hate to be the "Source?" person, but were you there at the time? If not, please update Wikipedia with references to your original source of information. (Wikipedia doesn't admit original research.)

it was a conspiratorial youtube video but the narrator sounded like a real straight shooter.
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