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Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

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Post by judge2020 »

tr3ndyBEAR wrote: post #21
woodandsteel wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you an extreme critic of Tesla? Is it because you think anthropogenic climate change is a hoax, and we should stay on fossil fuels? Or do you believe climate change is real and we need to get off of fossil fuels as fast as possible, but Tesla is doing a terrible job of helping this happen? Or perhaps for some other reason?

It could have something to do with the subsidy fraud or perhaps the fact that Tesla's might actually produce more CO2 than a traditional gasoline car [1]. Or perhaps it's because Tesla's art the 4th least reliable cars according to a Consumer Reports survey meaning they break down more often [1] https://interestingengineering.com/a-tesla-model-3-produces-... [2] https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-s…

The first link points to a press release that is dead (redirects to a home page), but based on the article, it doesn't look like they're giving it a fair fight.

> The research is revealing that these cars may produce significant CO2 emissions both in their battery production and their charging.

Important to note: "in their production and their charging"

> The study, for instance, estimates that driving a Tesla Model 3 in Germany is responsible for 156 to 181 grams of CO2 per kilometer. That is more than a diesel-powered Mercedes C220d which produces just 141 grams per kilometer.

The Model 3 is "responsible" for x grams, and the Diesel car (is diesel common in Europe? Very little US consumer cars recommend Diesel) "produces" x grams

Finally:

> Not only are there CO2 emissions generated in the production of electric vehicles, in addition almost all EU countries generate significant CO2 emissions from charging the vehicles’ batteries using their national energy production mixes.

There are CO2 emissions in the production of standard vehicles as well (this may be referencing the creation of the batteries, unsure, again the link is dead), and just as charging puts load on the grid, emissions are generated by the extraction, processing, and transportation of oil.

I'm not trying to invalidate the study, but the wording is suspicious (assuming it's not editorialized; the publication isn't one that only puts out critical TSLA articles).

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

#42

Post by godzillabrennus »

cuchoi wrote: post #39
stale2002 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same benefit of using a reserve currency, such as USD. That being that it can't be inflated by the government.

Crypto is a lot more volatile than the USD (or a basket of currencies). That's why Coinbase created Stablecoin.

Stable coin would solve that.

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

#44

Post by bitexploder »

BoorishBears wrote: post #34
ChrisClark wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a community of Tesla critics out there, but they are so vocal because they've done something very strange. They mostly exist on Twitter, but they all share the same block list. Anyone who argues with them or says anything positive about Tesla gets put on that blocklist by anyone else that shares it. Their reality is very skewed. All they see on Twitter is hatred against Elon, 'proof' everything he does is a…

I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died. I don't like Elon because he went on Twitter to blame them for dying when he's also the one who likes to coyly imply your hands are only on the wheel for government reasons. I don't like Elon because of the foolish 420 tweet and his subsequent interactions with the SEC. I don't li…

I am curious about this one:

“I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died.”

Most of the other ones vary in magnitude and specificity, but it’s fine with me if you don’t like Elon, he is a polarizing figure right now.

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

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Post by nine_k »

gruez wrote: post #15
maimeowmeow wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It be worth stealing anywhere, provided you ok (or dont care) with possible consequenses if getting caught. Resale, private usage. Guess the gate is eletricfied, as the bars look easy to get through.

>Guess the gate is eletricfied doesn't look like it. it's not isolated from the ground, so any electricity is going straight into the earth. the bigger deterrent is the barbed wire, but you can get pass that (and the electric fence, if any) with a fiberglass ladder.

A wooden ladder is even easier (though heavier).

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

#46

Post by Can_Not »

BoorishBears wrote: post #34
ChrisClark wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a community of Tesla critics out there, but they are so vocal because they've done something very strange. They mostly exist on Twitter, but they all share the same block list. Anyone who argues with them or says anything positive about Tesla gets put on that blocklist by anyone else that shares it. Their reality is very skewed. All they see on Twitter is hatred against Elon, 'proof' everything he does is a…

I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died. I don't like Elon because he went on Twitter to blame them for dying when he's also the one who likes to coyly imply your hands are only on the wheel for government reasons. I don't like Elon because of the foolish 420 tweet and his subsequent interactions with the SEC. I don't li…

You left out that he brags about working 80hrs/week when you _know_ at least 20 of those is just calling people chimps and pedos on Twitter.

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

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Post by BoorishBears »

bitexploder wrote: post #44
BoorishBears wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died. I don't like Elon because he went on Twitter to blame them for dying when he's also the one who likes to coyly imply your hands are only on the wheel for government reasons. I don't like Elon because of the foolish 420 tweet and his subsequent interactions with the SEC. I don't li…

I am curious about this one: “I don't like Elon because his company branded existing technology in a misleading way and pushed it past it's safe limits and people died.” Most of the other ones vary in magnitude and specificity, but it’s fine with me if you don’t like Elon, he is a polarizing figure right now.

Autopilot's exact suite of sensors from Mobileye was in plenty of other cars and just not pushed to it's limits and was marketed as something that augments the driver in exceptional cases, rather than having the driver augment the system in exceptional cases, something we know kills people.

Additionally, it's shortcomings with stationary object detection were already well known, this is why full AEB on many cars is disabled at highway speeds.

And I didn't make this comment to say I dislike Elon, I could say that with three words.

Instead I take issue with the above comment's characterization of his detractors.

The above comment goes out of it's way to act like Elon's vocal opposition is a bunch of crackpots, which is silly.

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

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Post by adrianN »

judge2020 wrote: post #41
tr3ndyBEAR wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could have something to do with the subsidy fraud or perhaps the fact that Tesla's might actually produce more CO2 than a traditional gasoline car [1]. Or perhaps it's because Tesla's art the 4th least reliable cars according to a Consumer Reports survey meaning they break down more often [1] https://interestingengineering.com/a-tesla-model-3-produces-... [2] https://www.consumerreports.org/car-reliability-owner-s…

The first link points to a press release that is dead (redirects to a home page), but based on the article, it doesn't look like they're giving it a fair fight. > The research is revealing that these cars may produce significant CO2 emissions both in their battery production and their charging. Important to note: "in their production and their charging" > The study, for instance, estimates that driving a Tesla Model…

Diesel is very common in Germany. About half the cars on the road are Diesel.

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

#49

Post by cuchoi »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #42
cuchoi wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Crypto is a lot more volatile than the USD (or a basket of currencies). That's why Coinbase created Stablecoin.

Stable coin would solve that.

But then if you are using Stablecoin as your currency, what's the benefit over the dollar?

Re: Tesla Batteries Are Keeping Zimbabwe’s Economy Running

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Post by optimiz3 »

_ph_ wrote: post #5
eduah wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not repurposed Tesla hardware, they are using actual Tesla backup battery product.

I would say they are repurposed in the sense that they were intended for home usage and not for keeping cell towers working.

If you buy a brand new server and use it for your PC, does that make it repurposed? To most people, it's a brand new computer.
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