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I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by bayesian_horse »

spraak wrote: post #22
bayesian_horse wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One difference is that "black men in tech" are a minority with a lot of discriminatory experiences. Criticizing a minority you don't belong to for complaining too much is something different than criticizing the majority you do belong to for the same thing. I don't know about "react-gate" yet, but I'm sure to find out in a few minutes.

I don't find anything inflammatory about what you said and yet your comment is very grey.

Certain people know that if they voiced their opinions, they would get an immensely negative reaction.

Downvotes, however, are not moderated...

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by p0nies »

quantummkv wrote: post #16

> In classic fashion, the most privileged 1% of developers (as in those with the most free time - young, white, able-bodied men) saw the newly released React and fell over themselves to be in on The Latest Interesting Technology. I am a brown guy in a 3rd world country who has been using react for long enough to be an early adopter. Reading this suddenly transformed me into a 6.6ft, white skinned, blue eyed Aryan wet…

Generated by a few too many Xanax more likely.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by layoutIfNeeded »

bayesian_horse wrote: post #39
layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #38

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The word “guys” means something bad in the U.S.? Sorry, English is not my native language, and I’m genuinely interested because I’ve been using this word quite often and didn’t know it’s offensive.

Depends on context. If you are a female developer and get constantly referred to as "guy" or to be part of "guys", it's at best annoying. Just as "guys" don't like to get called "girls".

I see! I didn’t know this was the case in the US. I’ve checked my English dictionary and it says:

>guys: Informal Persons of either sex.

I guess it’s one of those differences between British and American English. Good to know, because it seems like one could easily get in trouble for using it incorrectly (in the British sense) in the US!

Thanks!

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #43
bayesian_horse wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depends on context. If you are a female developer and get constantly referred to as "guy" or to be part of "guys", it's at best annoying. Just as "guys" don't like to get called "girls".

I see! I didn’t know this was the case in the US. I’ve checked my English dictionary and it says: >guys: Informal Persons of either sex. I guess it’s one of those differences between British and American English. Good to know, because it seems like one could easily get in trouble for using it incorrectly (in the British sense) in the US! Thanks!

Yes, this is country specific, and girls who take offense are primarily in the USA or have learned American English.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by k__ »

__exit__ wrote: post #40
wnkrshm wrote: post #35

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This is the first time I've heard about this emoji being in some way connected to white suppremacy... is this a thing? Edit: relevant wikipedia article [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#As_a_white_power_sy... It seems online culture is so plastic that we can quickly see a move from irony/trolling to sincere usage. How is a person not at the fronts of where hateful groups and their opponents meet supposed t…

Quite some years ago I think that symbol was used among youngsters so that if you looked at the hand making the OK symbol people would make laugh of you. Not because of some white supremacism ideology, but because of young people's stupid jokes. Politics were not involved as far as I know. Basically, a symbol for you to look at and the other person saying "Hah, you're an idiot!".

Yes it's some plausible deniability crap of the racists.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by k__ »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44
layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see! I didn’t know this was the case in the US. I’ve checked my English dictionary and it says: >guys: Informal Persons of either sex. I guess it’s one of those differences between British and American English. Good to know, because it seems like one could easily get in trouble for using it incorrectly (in the British sense) in the US! Thanks!

Yes, this is country specific, and girls who take offense are primarily in the USA or have learned American English.

The problem doesn't seem to be that it is male in some places and neutral in others, but that it's considered neutral even tho' it's clearly male.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

k__ wrote: post #46
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is country specific, and girls who take offense are primarily in the USA or have learned American English.

The problem doesn't seem to be that it is male in some places and neutral in others, but that it's considered neutral even tho' it's clearly male.

Guy is only clearly male in American English. Guy Fawkes was male of course, but the term “some anonymous guy” does not refer to anyone in particular. The word has clearly evolved differently in the states than it did in the UK which originated it.

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by fit2rule »

k__ wrote: post #46
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, this is country specific, and girls who take offense are primarily in the USA or have learned American English.

The problem doesn't seem to be that it is male in some places and neutral in others, but that it's considered neutral even tho' it's clearly male.

I got into trouble with this word and American people enough that I just never use it and say 'folks' instead..

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by coldtea »

wnkrshm wrote: post #35
__exit__ wrote: post #26

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I don't understand anything at all. It seems some dev used an OK HAND emoji in some slides during some talk, and it was misinterpreted as the White Supremacist symbol or whatever. Someone felt attacked personally, criticized it on Twitter and now everything is going downhill...

This is the first time I've heard about this emoji being in some way connected to white suppremacy... is this a thing? Edit: relevant wikipedia article [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_gesture#As_a_white_power_sy... It seems online culture is so plastic that we can quickly see a move from irony/trolling to sincere usage. How is a person not at the fronts of where hateful groups and their opponents meet supposed t…

Probably referring to this crap:

https://twitter.com/tatianatmac/status/1164912554876891137

part of this breakdown: https://dev.to/aryanjnyc/ken-wheeler-and-dan-abramov-deactiv...

I think people with such obsessions, bringing their baggage of politics everywhere should be thrown out of tech communities discussing tech. They can form whatever meta-community they like for that.

I have seen absolutely zero ..."white supremacism" in React community leaders, and the whole idea is too bizarro to begin with.

If someone is both a white supremacist and a React developer (which I find implausible, but ok) that's bad, but it's not like it's any sizable part of React devs, or characterizes the tone of the community, or affects anything or whatever...

Re: I have a problem with React and spend a lot of time talking to my therapist

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Post by coldtea »

k__ wrote: post #45
__exit__ wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite some years ago I think that symbol was used among youngsters so that if you looked at the hand making the OK symbol people would make laugh of you. Not because of some white supremacism ideology, but because of young people's stupid jokes. Politics were not involved as far as I know. Basically, a symbol for you to look at and the other person saying "Hah, you're an idiot!".

Yes it's some plausible deniability crap of the racists.

As if they can't be but racists, right?

Well, k__ your name stands for KKK, and if you say it doesn't, it's a random handle, then that's you using "plausible deniability".

How about that?

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