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Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by abcd_f »

hrktb wrote: post #32

> The MTR is the one technology the Hong Kong protests could not do without, an autonomous fiefdom that the police mostly stay out of. It is neutral territory This is a godsend. During Paris protest earlier this year the gov would just shut down public transports for about 5~10 km around and block main accesses so people couldn’t massively join the protests. At least the mainland gov. didn’t get to touch that I guess…

Exactly what I was thinking. China can simply shut down the public transport system next time and that will do it. No violence, no tear gas.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by EliRivers »

abcd_f wrote: post #41
hrktb wrote: post #32

> The MTR is the one technology the Hong Kong protests could not do without, an autonomous fiefdom that the police mostly stay out of. It is neutral territory This is a godsend. During Paris protest earlier this year the gov would just shut down public transports for about 5~10 km around and block main accesses so people couldn’t massively join the protests. At least the mainland gov. didn’t get to touch that I guess…

Exactly what I was thinking. China can simply shut down the public transport system next time and that will do it. No violence, no tear gas.

At that point, have they done the protestors' job for them? That would cause massive disruption and would make the authorities savagely unpopular. Maybe if they'd done that at the start, they could have blamed the protestors for making it necessary, but by now, everyone has seen that it's perfectly possible to run the MTR alongside the protests and would blame the authorities for unnecessarily shutting it down.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by [deleted] »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #39
smcl wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes we should be able to have a discussion, but I'd ask you to read the article and then read the comment. Does the comment look like it is responding to the article, or attempting to open a dialogue with the other side ... or does it look like a generic attempt at point scoring for the "pro-mainland" side? If "abcdefghijklmn3" is really keen to engage with the HN community then I take back what I said. But we both k…

In my view it is responding to the article because that article is extremely pro-protesters and that comment expresses the opinion that this isn't so black and white. Engage with the point made instead of discarding the comment as "invalid", or just ignore the comment if you don't want to engage.

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Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by mytailorisrich »

germanier wrote: post #37
mytailorisrich wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly tangential since you're specifically discussing communication but I've noticed that the term "privacy" is often getting incorrectly used when discussing surveillance tech (e.g. face recognition). There is no expectation of privacy in a public place. But an important right in a free society is the right to anonymity. A street is not a private place and, as said, there is no expectation of privacy there: Anyon…

> A street is not a private place and, as said, there is no expectation of privacy there: Anyone and everyone can see you and what you are doing. Only people physically there can see me and what I am doing. Modern technology enables them to record that and share it globally and across time. It's important to recognize that this ability is not inherent in it being a public place. "Expectation of privacy" and that you…

Expectation of privacy in public places has never been a concept anywhere. Privacy and public space are simply contradicting terms.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by davedx »

spyckie2 wrote: post #19

This piece is quite accurate - it really makes you feel like you're in Hong Kong during the protests. References aside, as a US citizen in Hong Kong there are some things that I respect immensely and some things that really get on my nerves about HK. I greatly respect the people and the cause. It reminds me of that one poem - > Do not go gentle into that good night. > Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The pe…

What exactly is Asian culture?

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by unityByFreedom »

hrktb wrote: post #26
Aeolun wrote: post #12

This has probably given me more insight in the protests than any news article I’ve read so far. Why is it so hard to find a decent source for what is happening?

Fundamentally it is not what western media think as “news”. It is long, ultra detailed, first person, and doesn’t cover the central point covered by other news outlets. If a NYT editor was reading this it would cut it down to a fifth of what it is, have it reexplain the 5 demands, give a clearer political positioning etc. We had that with french protests, standard news covering was cut so it was very digestible and n…

> If a NYT editor was reading this it would cut it down to a fifth of what it is, have it reexplain the 5 demands, give a clearer political positioning etc.

The word "extradition", a key piece of information about current HK-China relations, does not appear in this blog. Let's not pretend it is deeper than something produced by a reputable newspaper. A newspaper can put out long form like this, or just straight news. In either case, any decent story teller will mention why the protests are happening.

edit please explain your downvotes, thanks

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by rusk »

spyckie2 wrote: post #19

This piece is quite accurate - it really makes you feel like you're in Hong Kong during the protests. References aside, as a US citizen in Hong Kong there are some things that I respect immensely and some things that really get on my nerves about HK. I greatly respect the people and the cause. It reminds me of that one poem - > Do not go gentle into that good night. > Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The pe…

> when two parties disagree in Asian culture, it rarely turns towards resolution

This sounds a lot like politics in the UK and USA to me ...

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by woutr_be »

hrktb wrote: post #32

> The MTR is the one technology the Hong Kong protests could not do without, an autonomous fiefdom that the police mostly stay out of. It is neutral territory This is a godsend. During Paris protest earlier this year the gov would just shut down public transports for about 5~10 km around and block main accesses so people couldn’t massively join the protests. At least the mainland gov. didn’t get to touch that I guess…

Some stations have been shutdown several times in the past few weeks, I'm not sure if it was on the request of the police, or the MTR just decided to skip stations. However, this wasn't due to people going to protests, this was due to increased violence, and even attacks inside the stations.

Last week the HK police decided to fire tear gas within a station as well.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by woutr_be »

kerng wrote: post #6
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Hmm. I wonder how the protesters know who to trust in their Telegram groups and on LIHKG. There has to be a core of organizers, however anonymous they may appear to be. Is there a way to track metadata exhaust from telegram for building a social graph or xss lihkg? Could be a way to ID them.

When nearly half the population participates, I dont think you need much ID'ing.

There's over 7 million people in HK, at the largest protest, they estimated around 2 million took part, so not even half. During most protests, that number is significantly lower.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by jacobush »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #33
avip wrote: post #27

Interesting to contrast this with popular demonstrations in US or France. No windows broken? Burnt city infrastructure? No beaten up police? All so quiet.

They seem to have spared private property, but windows were broken, city infrastructure was damaged (e.g. LegCo, police stations), and police were beaten up. It's like in all countries. Some protests/protesters are peaceful, some are not.

Ehm, our Swedish rioters usually break all windows once getting started
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