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Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by DuncanIdaho »

pierrefar wrote: post #40
DuncanIdaho wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK Intel and AMD cross-license everything. And its not that tech runs just from Intel to AMD. x64 is AMD tech that got adopted by Intel. Monolith multi-core technology is also something Intel adopted from AMD. Intel wouldn't dare destroying AMD. Since AMD got created for sole reason to prevent Intel from being torn apart. But Intel will do everything to keep AMD's market share somewhere comfortably below 20%.

And what about ARM and Apple chips (like the A4)?

What about them?

Is Intel supposed to just implement it for them or something?

Or are they supposed to get to their own terms with them studios?

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by pierrefar »

DuncanIdaho wrote: post #41
pierrefar wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about ARM and Apple chips (like the A4)?

What about them? Is Intel supposed to just implement it for them or something? Or are they supposed to get to their own terms with them studios?

Well we're talking about Intel and AMD and I thought we should also remember there are more chip makers out there that would have an interest in decoding encrypted content.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by tomjen3 »

robertk wrote: post #22
codingthewheel wrote: post #19

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Yes. If a human can view it, you can always, always, always copy it, reproduce it, and share it. No matter how much HDCP you throw at it, no matter what specialized hardware you devote to it...in the words of Mr. Universe..."you can't stop the signal." (And all the King's horses, and all the King's men, couldn't put the industry's shitty paranoid ineffective wannabe DRM back together again.)

From Axel Boldt's idea diary, 1/24/2007 10:13 PM Defeat any copy protection on video/audio: play the content on a certified software player in a virtual machine, copy material from the virtual screen/loudspeaker. http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/Diary.txt

You won't have much luck with that, I tried to view some online flash video in a virtual machine (we all know how fucked flash is on Linux), which lost the audio/movie sync after about 20 minutes.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by sorbus »

tomjen3 wrote: post #43
robertk wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Axel Boldt's idea diary, 1/24/2007 10:13 PM Defeat any copy protection on video/audio: play the content on a certified software player in a virtual machine, copy material from the virtual screen/loudspeaker. http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/Diary.txt

You won't have much luck with that, I tried to view some online flash video in a virtual machine (we all know how fucked flash is on Linux), which lost the audio/movie sync after about 20 minutes.

It being in a virtual machine doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the problems; Audio/video sync in lots of flash content doesn't even work properly outside of virtual machines.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by ShabbyDoo »

Could someone here please explain the likely mechanics of how this DRM will work? I must presume that decrypted content would not be available to the OS and would ostensibly only be exported from the GPU via some video output (HDMI w/ HDCP, etc.)?

Presuming this is the case, how would key management happen? Would every chip have its own unique keypair? If not, an attack similar to the one linked to here by JohhnieCache would render this scheme useless. If each keypair is unique, how would a particular content provider know that a public key was actually one paired with a private key only contained in Intel's silicon? Would Intel provide a registry of all valid public keys to content providers? If there is no such central registry, would the public keys themselves be signed by Intel so that content providers could be certain of their origin?

Please correct any wrong assumptions on my part. I know little of cryptography compared to many here, but I am frustrated by how little technical commentary has accompanied the articles I have read about this new processor family.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by tomjen3 »

sorbus wrote: post #44
tomjen3 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You won't have much luck with that, I tried to view some online flash video in a virtual machine (we all know how fucked flash is on Linux), which lost the audio/movie sync after about 20 minutes.

It being in a virtual machine doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the problems; Audio/video sync in lots of flash content doesn't even work properly outside of virtual machines.

I watched the rest of the video on a normal windows machine, it didn't have any problems.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by Dylan16807 »

tomjen3 wrote: post #46
sorbus wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It being in a virtual machine doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the problems; Audio/video sync in lots of flash content doesn't even work properly outside of virtual machines.

I watched the rest of the video on a normal windows machine, it didn't have any problems.

I'd put the odds over 80% that it's just because the VM wasn't fast enough. You then have two options. One is to get a faster machine, the other is to run the VM in slow motion while you save. Obviously the second isn't an option for realtime viewing.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by DuncanIdaho »

pierrefar wrote: post #42
DuncanIdaho wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about them? Is Intel supposed to just implement it for them or something? Or are they supposed to get to their own terms with them studios?

Well we're talking about Intel and AMD and I thought we should also remember there are more chip makers out there that would have an interest in decoding encrypted content.

But I seriously doubt that ARM chipmakers not getting access to DRM core would constitute anti-competitive behaviour.

Especially since these are completely different markets who do most stuff differently. Thats what I wanted to point out - if they want their chips to play DRM content they'll have to negotiate it themselves with the Hollywood. I also strongly suspect that this is not an exclusive pact.

Since nowadays content producers are very well aware that more and more (probably the majority?) of content is consumed via - non x86 architecture devices.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Post by robin_reala »

coderdude wrote: post #39
robin_reala wrote: post #6

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Even with my ‘real’ (out-in-the-country 5.5mbit) broadband I’m still not yet convinced by streaming films. Nothing like a stutter to jerk you out of your immersion.

That's weird. The net connection at my dad's house is ridiculously bad. You'll be lucky if you can download at 60kb/sec, and this is what they call broadband (AT&T in Yorba Linda, CA). Yet Netflix movies stream without a hitch or a hiccup.

UK so no Netflix: I’m basing my previous comment on the TV catch-up services (iPlayer, ITV Player, 4OD). Maybe pay-for services commit to better QoS?
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