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Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by stochastic_monk »

tptacek wrote: post #15
SimplyUnknown wrote: post #7

I really like Telegram. Only end-to-end encryption by default and in group chats would make it perfect.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

It’s secure but only if you choose it to be explicitly.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by Aloha »

chupa wrote: post #25
Aloha wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram wins for me, because desktop is a first class citizen.

Desktop is a first class citizen, so much that encrypted chats aren't supported yet.

That's not accurate, it's supported on one of the two desktop clients.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by arkadiyt »

paxys wrote: post #39
tptacek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

Slack does have E2E (from their perspective) encryption available, but it's the company paying for it that holds the keys, not individual employees.

Customer managed keys are not the same thing as end-to-end encryption. With CMK Slack employees still have access to your message content and can still respond to subpoenas / FISA orders / national security letters / etc.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by arkadiyt »

ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #18
tptacek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

They have end to end encryption available but off by default because it affects searching (they can't index your chat if they don't know what you said). Since your average users would be fine with this, it seems fair to have it as an optional feature.

They have it available only for 1:1 chats and cryptographers have criticized their odd encryption scheme. They do not have it available for group chat at all, Telegram always has access to all group chat content.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by scubbo »

tptacek wrote: post #15
SimplyUnknown wrote: post #7

I really like Telegram. Only end-to-end encryption by default and in group chats would make it perfect.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

I'm not really sure what you're saying. It looks like you're humorously drawing attention to the fact that the user considers the app to be extremely good and just lacking one nice-to-have feature (encryption), whereas you believe that they have misjudged the importance of that feature and it is, in fact, essential?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by flixic »

zzzcpan wrote: post #38
Xenograph wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not open source, only partly, just like Telegram. Signal is completely open source. I'm not sure why you think it's only partly open source. Quoting Wikipedia[1]: > All Signal software are free and open-source. The clients are published under the GPLv3 license, while the server code is published under the AGPLv3 license. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)

It's not even on f-droid. You install the binary they control and connect to the servers they run, it's literally a proprietary app, just like Telegram.

App being open-source means you can compile and build it yourself.

They've also gone to extreme lengths to prove that the software running on their servers has not been tampered with: https://signal.org/blog/private-contact-discovery/#trust-but...

I think your doubts create very unreasonable expectations for Signal.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by jjeaff »

interfixus wrote: post #36
izacus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Signal will also lose all your messaging history and kick you out of all your group conversations if your phone breaks or you lose it. It also has no usable automated backup solution or sync. It's also completely unable to work on multiple devices. Not really comparable in usability.

Also, it will snark on you to all contacts whenever you move to a new device. And plead with you to let it handle your ordinary sms texting, then hold your text messages hostage, not exportable back to any other app.

It doesn't plead. It asks one time. At least on Android. I said no and it has never asked me again.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by chupa »

Aloha wrote: post #42
chupa wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Desktop is a first class citizen, so much that encrypted chats aren't supported yet.

That's not accurate, it's supported on one of the two desktop clients.

Ah, you mean the one for macOS only. No, I was talking about the multiplatform one.
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