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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by tathougies »

kartan wrote: post #8

There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens. Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists wer…

Yes we have redefined conservative to be anyone with whom we disagree.

The shooter posted about various 'concerns'. He was worried about environmental destruction caused by massive corporations and immigrants. This seems neither republican, Democrat, progressive, nor religious. The best description is eco nationalist but that doesnt even cover it.

Given the major figures in the conservative movement were criticized for not doing enough to hurt the corporations destroying the environment, I feel the shooter coukd as easily be attributed to the influence of sanders and the green new deal people as anyone else.

Interestingly enough, this concern over environmental destruction is a common thread of several past mass shootings, including gilroy, el paso, and new zealand. Many shooters echo the apocalyptic language used by the media.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by eej2ya1K »

belltaco wrote: post #33
kstenerud wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why extremism is having more trouble taking root in Europe is because there's less inequality there. Where inequality is highest, terrorism is highest.

I don't see how it's related to inequality. I don't think any of these shooters were poor or went through poverty. For this incident the press showed pictures of a big single family home in suburban Dallas.

There are other forms of inequality. For example, how many mass shooters are involuntarily celibate?

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by robk »

kartan wrote: post #8

There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens. Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists wer…

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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by notamy »

bowmessage wrote: post #22
deft wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the fbi literally pays people to post in threads about mass shooters.

Citation needed?

I can't speak to the accuracy of this, but a quick Google search suggested [0] which linked to [1], which says:

> What is notable is that next to the “Anonymous” user label on some of the posts is a “(You)” marking:

> As it turns out, this text is to let the user know that they are looking at their own posts! This means that Special Agent Rod inadvertently exposed himself as 8chan user ID “8f4812” by including these screenshots as his supporting exhibit.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/c1nnsn/fbi_...

[1] https://ceinquiry.wordpress.com/2019/06/17/fbi-8chan/

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by [deleted] »

kartan wrote: post #8

There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens. Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists wer…

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Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by belltaco »

Iv wrote: post #26
qwsxyh wrote: post #20

I sure am glad we've reached the point of domestic terrorism and I'm 100% sure people will still go: 1) "Not everyone you disagree with is a nazi" 2) "We shouldn't shut down their opinions, they're just as valid" Because as we can see, that obviously has no negative consequences at all.

1) Of course they will. If they are willing to support terrorist, appearing a bit like an asshole online is not going to be a problem for them. 2) The point about not censoring opinions is not about these opinions being valid, it is about the tools you give the government to decide what should be considered terrorism or not. In France, after the mass shootings, the government took some anti-terrorist measures and alm…

Why has this to be done by the govt?

For example, Hackers News filters such things without govt intervention, as do Twitter, Facebook and Reddit to a lesser extent. It has been shown that once you remove a platform, the idea itself dwindles. For example r/fatpeoplehate migrated to Voat but activity has been far far below compared to when it was on Reddit.

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Post by armada651 »

ghostcluster wrote: post #29

Despite the attention these cases get, the US murder rate is half what it was in 1980 https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates

What a relief, I guess we don't have to do anything about people being mass murdered then. /s

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

dx87 wrote: post #16
kartan wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> despite 8chan being a breeding ground of hate, threads by mass shooters are typically removed in minutes So, it is ok that people promote and help mass shooters as far as there is no direct connection the day of the attack? > Going there is just asking for trouble and I would urge anyone curious to look for screenshots instead of actually visiting the website. Is a screenshot of hate speech promoting hate less than…

You'd be imagining wrong. Cloudflare left up ISIS websites because they said it isn't their job police content.

You know, I don’t necessarily disagree with Cloudlare’s take on “we shouldn’t be the internet police”, but do find it kind of funny that their ideology and approach conveniently aligns with being the absolute cheapest and laziest approach to the problem.

Re: 8chan Is a Normal Part of Mass Shootings Now

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Post by lumberjack »

tathougies wrote: post #41
kartan wrote: post #8

There was a time that it was difficult for me to understand how it was possible that governments in the middle east were supporting domestic terrorism. It was difficult to imagine how normal people were supporting the killing of fellow citizens. Now, that I see this same trend unravel in the USA it becomes easier to understand. I have seen for the past decades the shifting of what "conservative" means. Extremists wer…

Yes we have redefined conservative to be anyone with whom we disagree. The shooter posted about various 'concerns'. He was worried about environmental destruction caused by massive corporations and immigrants. This seems neither republican, Democrat, progressive, nor religious. The best description is eco nationalist but that doesnt even cover it. Given the major figures in the conservative movement were criticized f…

Ecofascism is what it is called and it is an inside joke. It is not a serious political position. It is meant precisely to confuse people like you.
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