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Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by beoba » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 1:06 AM UTC

nazgulnarsil wrote: post #32

crux wrote: post #26

I don't understand what people like KirinDave are referring to when they discuss Minimalism. Anything beyond drill-down UX exercises like eliminating information clutter in visual design seems to immediately break down. Assuming we're talking about something more general than eliminating the widgets from our blog sidebars... What ARE we talking about? I guess I could imagine it going one step higher, into a campaign…

I mostly agree with you except for this "You can't possibly expect me to believe that only having five shirts in your closet will make you a different person, or even a different worker. " stripping away everything that you don't actually use in your day to day life has a remarkable psychological effect.

Those things you threw away also have a 'remarkable psychological effect' when you need them.

"Where'd I put those snow chains?"

Possessions make life simpler.

Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by JusticeJones » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 1:06 AM UTC

crux wrote: post #26

I don't understand what people like KirinDave are referring to when they discuss Minimalism. Anything beyond drill-down UX exercises like eliminating information clutter in visual design seems to immediately break down. Assuming we're talking about something more general than eliminating the widgets from our blog sidebars... What ARE we talking about? I guess I could imagine it going one step higher, into a campaign…

"I don't understand what people like KirinDave are referring to when they discuss Minimalism." Everything that this comment isn't.

Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by beoba » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 1:12 AM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #38

p_nathan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Less shirts helps your mind? Really? Really? Not even close to convinced. There are a ton of thunguses in one's life that can be ditched to remove the maintenance of. There's a lot of validity in that particular concept. But when one wants to develop a fuller life than virtually living - things become useful towards that goal. Let me give some examples. * Musical instruments. iPad instruments just don't cut it. * Old…

Why is it that your definition of minimalism is paucity? The movement's canonical definition is: the right amount of things for your goals. If you are a cook, a well-appointed kitchen is the Right Thing to have. Anything less is just a conceit, and itself a violation of the goal-oriented thinking we've been talking about. There is this idea of zen and asceticism that has crept into the conversation and honestly I'm n…

Woah woah woah, a there's a movement for this?

I think I'll go found a movement based on coupon shopping. Be one with the discount.

Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 1:26 AM UTC

treblig wrote: post #2

This Museo thing has to stop. It's cute, it looks real friendly in titles, but dear god, do not typeset an article in it.

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Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by pavs » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 1:37 AM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #22

pavs wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its a bad font. I just don't think its a good font if you are interested in readers enjoying the experience of reading. The article was good, the font was a bit of distraction. Thankfully readability is there to rescue. FWIW I am on a mac too.

Since you were polite, I'll actually explain. Museo 500's tendency to block up is something I deliberately exploit. My tumblr is not often a venue for long-form blog posts; it is almost exclusively for link sharing and my photography. Small blocks of Museo "flow" very well along with those sorts of media posts. Long blocks blend together and stream past, providing only a slight interruption to the flow of media and l…

> I still think it's fairly readable. Compare it to the readability-required status of even big-name content pushers like the Chicago-Sun Times. My site is an order of magnitude easier to read, even if their body font is a bit easier in block form.

I agree. But I don't think comparing your site to a horribly formatted, but established, site is a good argument. IMO the font is not good for reading even if your site is the most accessible site in the whole world. At the end of the day I think it boils down to whether I have to squint and get distracted by the flow in order to read the content.

Also when there are more than one person complaining about the font (and others who have not complained but upvoted the complaining comments) its something to think about. They might not be necessarily right just because its a relatively popular opinion, but they might be in to something.

Such a well written post deserves a better font. IMO.

Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by pavs » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 1:48 AM UTC

anigbrowl wrote: post #33

anigbrowl wrote: post #31

tl;dr

But seriously, this is why I don't especially care for minimalism: '[a]t its core, Minimalism is about being aware that every decision you make is a value proposition, and that you need to judge how the consequences fit with your goals.' Focus is good, but an excess of it results in tunnel vision. It also leaves little room for whimsy or humor.

Another way to think about it is when you do something all the time it becomes a second nature. You don't always have to ponder hard on every decision you make, some decision becomes default choice.

I don't know about minimalists not having a sense of humor (actually first time I heard this) but I agree you are less likely to do things just for shitz and giggles; but I don't know if thats such a bad thing. Some people just don't enjoy doing things for shitz and giggles. I guess it boils down to personal taste and preference?

Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 2:03 AM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #22

pavs wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think its a bad font. I just don't think its a good font if you are interested in readers enjoying the experience of reading. The article was good, the font was a bit of distraction. Thankfully readability is there to rescue. FWIW I am on a mac too.

Since you were polite, I'll actually explain. Museo 500's tendency to block up is something I deliberately exploit. My tumblr is not often a venue for long-form blog posts; it is almost exclusively for link sharing and my photography. Small blocks of Museo "flow" very well along with those sorts of media posts. Long blocks blend together and stream past, providing only a slight interruption to the flow of media and l…

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Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by KirinDave » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 2:10 AM UTC

pavs wrote: post #45

KirinDave wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you were polite, I'll actually explain. Museo 500's tendency to block up is something I deliberately exploit. My tumblr is not often a venue for long-form blog posts; it is almost exclusively for link sharing and my photography. Small blocks of Museo "flow" very well along with those sorts of media posts. Long blocks blend together and stream past, providing only a slight interruption to the flow of media and l…

> I still think it's fairly readable. Compare it to the readability-required status of even big-name content pushers like the Chicago-Sun Times. My site is an order of magnitude easier to read, even if their body font is a bit easier in block form. I agree. But I don't think comparing your site to a horribly formatted, but established, site is a good argument. IMO the font is not good for reading even if your site is…

If I cared how much goodwill my site design engendered, I probably wouldn't put a trick splash title that immediately bounces 2/3 of my traffic.

Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by sagerhreh » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 2:45 AM UTC

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Re: Minimalism: It Works

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Post by aperiodic » Sat, Jan 01, 2011, 2:59 AM UTC

KirinDave wrote: post #10

beoba wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's awful in Linux.

I've had Museo 500 as my body font since the day it was licensed for webfont use. This is my first complaint about it.

Well, let me throw my voice in, too. If I didn't have Readability, I would not have read your article. Out of curiosity, I reloaded the page and tried reading it as was originally presented, but it felt taxing, and I switched back quickly.

The problem, I think, is that the spaces between letters are much smaller than the internal negative spaces of the letters. The little horizontal flairs on the sides of many letters in Museo exacerbate this issue. This ends up making it really hard for me to recognize the letters which have no internal negative space, most notably i, t, and r, since they tend to bleed into their neighboring letters at this small size.