Is there a code sample I can read? Seems like this will all hinge on this new language.
Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#42I've played with some early betas of Dark and I must say being deployless may make a good headline, but there are many more-exciting features. There's visual programming, a concise OCaml-style language, a unique pub-sub mechanism baked right in, and integrated database support. It's a really fresh approach.
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. It only sounds maybe 1 step removed from where aws lambda’s are now. You fiddle with the code in the lambda IDE, and submit for deployment. Is this really that much different?
Lambda is the antithesis of frictionless development, most of your life is invested in figuring out the Lambda way to do things, just like App Engine before it "I just need to run this function every 10 minutes" .. (3 blog posts later) .. (1 lunch break later) .. (5 Git commits across 3 repos containing a mix of CloudFormation, CloudWatch and Terraform, 3 new IAM policies and 12 S3 buckets with completely unmemorable…
haha, I've been burned by app engine too - well put.
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#44I am doubtful. My view of the future of software engineering is that developers will be better equipped to handle _more_ complexity, not _less_. And we all know what happens when there's black boxes. Not to mention you're locked in to a particular editor and language.
Imagine this, but with any editor or language of your liking, and the option to go deeper into the machine if things go awry. Wait, isn't that how things are right now?
> Infrastructure is time consuming and difficult, especially as services start to scale.
It doesn't have to be, and it's particularly easy when you're starting out. Most of the time it's just premature optimization. When services start to scale, maybe you can invest a little more effort into this area, too, so why use Dark?
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#45Personally I’d be surprised if this startup is around in five years
Right. It sounds like a fun thing to build. But i'd love to read an honest explanation from an investor of why they funded it. Dark raised 3.5 million USD from eight funds, which is under half a million each; maybe that amount is so small that a VC will invest it just for fun?
The founders are well-enough connected to get this sorta funding...
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#46In high school, I think I worked for a company that has prior art on deployless software. We wrote php and perl directly on the prod server with vi through putty. No deploy necessary! What's old is new again I guess.
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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right. It sounds like a fun thing to build. But i'd love to read an honest explanation from an investor of why they funded it. Dark raised 3.5 million USD from eight funds, which is under half a million each; maybe that amount is so small that a VC will invest it just for fun?
Trust me, getting VC money isn't magically easier at small scales. There's a reason most businesses die under-capitalized.
It's simple if you know people with deep pockets -- and there was this mantra of invest in the team for awhile; not sure if that's still really a thing.
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#48In high school, I think I worked for a company that has prior art on deployless software. We wrote php and perl directly on the prod server with vi through putty. No deploy necessary! What's old is new again I guess.
Wait, did you work at DreamHost?!
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#49So it's a lame version of dot net / Azure?
Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model
#50> If you build your application in Dark’s language inside of Dark’s editor, the reward is you can deploy it automatically on Dark’s infrastructure on Google Cloud Platform without worrying about all of the typical underlying deployment tasks. > ... Ellen Chisa, CEO and co-founder at the company, admits that the Dark approach requires learning to use her company’s toolset, but she says the trade-off is worth it becaus…
You are right. Reported this submission as spam. It is a closed invite-only product. They try to mislead saying that the only downside is learning a new language. Every good programmer loves to learn a new language. The actual, real downside is license/lock-in/ownership. ...Their website is hosted on Medium, not gitlab/hub. I rest my case.
Agree with the rest... every other solution is FOSS. A closed proprietary tool has a big mountain to climb.
> Every good programmer loves to learn a new language.
Er... no. I am still seeing new ways to leverage C after 40 years on it. Creating a new language is the ultimate self-indulgence.