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Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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Young people? They only give to living people but my impression is not that most laureates are young Edit: 72 years in average across all prizes, although first half of 20th century was lower. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37578899

I guess I'm wrong, but I read that they try to give it to people just starting out in their field, to encourage them to continue, rather than as a prize for finishing.

You must have confused it with a different prize.

Update: user "ISL" says "that was Nobel's original intent, but the reality of the prize has changed with time."

Yes, Nobel Prize is only given by living people to encourage innovation rather than remembering the death, yes. However, it's very common for the Nobel Prize to aware scientists after a discovery has been made. Nobel Prize of Literature is the same, I believe.

For example, Albert Einstein won the Nobel Prize in 1921 for "for his services to theoretical physics, and especially for his discovery of the law of the photoelectric effect", but Einstein's relevant papers were published in 1905 on Annalen der Physik, it's 16 years later after the discovery. Another recent example is the Nobel Prize of Physics of 2014, given to Isamu Akasaki, Hiroshi Amano, and Shuji Nakamura for blue LEDs, it's also 20 years later.

Due to this very reason, The Breakthrough Prize was established in 2012 by multiple entrepreneurs, including Mark Zuckerberg, as a prize, which its proponents claim to be that they try to give it to people just starting out in their field, to encourage them to continue, rather than as a prize for finishing. Although it has received some criticisms of being a rockstar award as well.

Is it, by any chance, the prize you were thinking about?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Prize

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Prize_in_Fundamen...

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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"Chaos and Fractals", a huge tome of a book , from the 1990s, is an incredible book to learn about Feigenbaum's work and others. The programming language it uses is rather obsolete, but it's such a wonderful book for a motivated high school or college student.

Any chance you know the author? There's a few with similar titles.

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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I normally find Stephen Wolfram insufferable (and he still is, in this article) but boy what a privilege it is to have a friend who will eulogize us like this. If I was an intellectual associate of Wolfram’s I’d ask him to write this article for me to read before I died.

Can someone elaborate as to why Wolfram’s insufferable? I’ve only looked at his blog once or twice. However this post was great.

Also:

> and on the very first day that I showed up as 17-year-old particle-physics-paper-writing undergraduate, I ran into him

Almost every blog post mentions that he was a child prodigy.

I liked this post though. Well written

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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Young people? They only give to living people but my impression is not that most laureates are young Edit: 72 years in average across all prizes, although first half of 20th century was lower. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-37578899

I guess I'm wrong, but I read that they try to give it to people just starting out in their field, to encourage them to continue, rather than as a prize for finishing.

Are you thinking of the Fields Medal in math?

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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I first saw that beautiful bifurcation diagram as a teenager in this book called "Fractals" that showed a bunch of fractals as well as programs to draw them. I was amazed that such simple arithmetic could lead to such weird, organic results. The code to draw it is astonishingly simple. Here's an implementation in Dart that prints it to your console: import 'dart:math' as math; const min = 2.4; const max = 4.0; const…

Translated into J:

    w=. 120
    row=. [: (' *' {~ ] > 10 %~ >./) [: (1 #. i.@w =/ ]) [: 
Live:

https://tio.run/##HYzBCoJAFEX3fsWhKGcmer4n1UJU/I@YNhFkG8GNi8...

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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Can someone elaborate as to why Wolfram’s insufferable? I’ve only looked at his blog once or twice. However this post was great.

This guy manages to, within three sentences, turn a eulogy into a diss of IEEE floating point calculations, only to boast about how his shitty proprietary math toolbox does arbitrary precision better. Just one of many grating examples of how he communicates. He's a genius though, so he has that going for him...

He's not wrong, though...

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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> Can someone elaborate as to why Wolfram’s insufferable? My own belief, based on work I did in the 1980s, is that it’s actually an intrinsic youthful genius phenomenon—analogous to the insufferability one sees in my rule 34 cellular automaton.

This guy Wolframs.

It's official, a clone of Stephen Wolfram has been identified...

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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I was an undergrad CS intern (and Chaos enthusiast) assisting the physicists at Los Alamos Natl. Labs Center for Nonlinear Studies when he visited to give the monthly “Tea Talk” on some subject in nonlinear mathematics/ chaos theory back in ‘88. I didn’t understand most of what he said. I asked the Deputy Director, a long-time PhD Theoretical Physicist, about the gist of the talk afterwards. He said “I didn’t underst…

I was there as well, also as an intern. Around the same time, Mandelbrot also stopped by CNLS to give a talk. CNLS in the late 80s was truly a magical place.

Re: Mitchell Feigenbaum (1944–2019), 4.66920160910299067185320382…

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I was an undergrad CS intern (and Chaos enthusiast) assisting the physicists at Los Alamos Natl. Labs Center for Nonlinear Studies when he visited to give the monthly “Tea Talk” on some subject in nonlinear mathematics/ chaos theory back in ‘88. I didn’t understand most of what he said. I asked the Deputy Director, a long-time PhD Theoretical Physicist, about the gist of the talk afterwards. He said “I didn’t underst…

I'm amazed by the observation that even the Deputy Director, a seasoned theoretician, did not expect to understand a peer researcher's work without several months of collaboration. What chance does a mere undergrad or practitioner stand ! :)
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