>Compete with youtube
I admire the spirit. It's right up there with lets see who we can attack....hmm...US military...yeah they seem about the right size as a worthy opponent.
How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
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Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#42From what I can tell, this is the story of a 2006-2008 Youtube also-ran that was outbid by Google for celebrity content, had copyright and inappropriate content problems, kept an adult content section on their website, and depended on AdSense for their revenue. I don't see where the concept of "deplatforming" fits into the narrative provided. You can check their old site out on Archive.org (the pages all seem to have…
I agree with most of your comment, but Youtube also had copyright problems at that time. Viacom sued them for $1 billion in 2007 (settled out of court for an undisclosed sum in 2014).
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing you said is wrong, but that is part of the problem right? To do anything online, you have to use google to some extent, so how can you compete in the first place? Google is already a monopoly in search which makes it impossible to make something online that requires search (ie., almost everything) and have it properly compete.
Pornhub probably could. They've got the tech, the traffic, the money, the advertising infrastructure, they've got everything they need to launch a youtube competitor because the big tech companies don't really touch porn.
> "the big tech companies don't really touch porn."
Isn't that the case because mainstream American advertisers don't want anything to do with it? I don't think it's a matter of west coast tech companies being prudes, but rather tech companies appeasing big consumer goods companies that spend billions on advertising, like P&G, J&J, PepsiCo, etc. And those companies are in turn likely appeasing 'middle america' by trying to keep their brands as bland and "family friendly" as possible.
Edit: (And now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure Amazon sells pornography, so that's one of the big tech companies at least that is willing to. And I don't think it's a coincidence that advertising from those big consumer goods companies isn't nearly as important to Amazon... Then again Amazon doesn't allow nudity on twitch, which perhaps could be considered roughly analogous to Google's similar ban of pornography on youtube. Perhaps twitch, as a consumer brand, is subject to the same social pressures from the American public as PepsiCo?)
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#44This article should say - you can't compete with google using google. The "final blow" was adsense being cutoff. Their revenue model to compete with google was ... adsense. OK. Their traffic model was google search. Ok. Between the lines it sounds like some aggressive SEO, and maybe the network click bounce thing (you click on one video, and then it clicks through to another site etc). Be curious what their content m…
This is why people want Alphabet to be split up. Google is leveraging their monopoly position in online advertising to benefit their monopoly position in online video, as well as their monopoly position in online search.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#45The only company competing successfully with google is facebook, and they are both giant ad factories that will violate your privacy without batting an eye. Wondering if there is a ceiling in how much revenue an ad company can make using reasonable methods to generate revenue, and there just is no other way but by pushing crap to our browsers.
So to compete and beat facebook and google one has to be good at the ad game not just the content game.
Whoever thought google will allow a competitor to use google’s own platform to grow and threaten their own video ad stream should probs not be in a company’s board for a while.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#46Is there a non ranty description of what happened ? I read the first couple of paragraphs and between the rantings how he should be a multimillionaire and how Google will destroy all of his projects, I gave up. It is obviously a very emotional subject for Trent, but that's just not the best way to present what happened to a third party.
Summary of claims from the interview:
Live Video was a more successful video platform in the mid 2000s until Google bought YouTube and leveraged their monopoly on search and ads to cut off traffic to Live Video. They also paid content creators to leave Live Video and sign exclusive contracts with the cash Google injected to the company. The only reason Justin TV survived is that they pivoted to gaming to avoid competing with YouTube.
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Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#48This article should say - you can't compete with google using google. The "final blow" was adsense being cutoff. Their revenue model to compete with google was ... adsense. OK. Their traffic model was google search. Ok. Between the lines it sounds like some aggressive SEO, and maybe the network click bounce thing (you click on one video, and then it clicks through to another site etc). Be curious what their content m…
Haven’t used reddit in over a year and hardly visit YouTube. #1 competitor for my time is reading a book. The freedom and clarity I feel now that I’m not plugged in to these types of social networks makes me believe reddit is also “disgusting trash”.
I also am trying to read more books and unplug, but Reddit isn’t so bad if you find good sub-Reddit’s. The main site and default sub-Reddit’s are definitely trash, though.
The same is true of YouTube if you heavily scrutinize your subscription list.
It’s extremely annoying because there are pockets of communities that remind me of the Internet before the masses trashed it and everything was centralized around a handful of sites. I’ve been playing with Mastodon lately and that reminds me more of the 90s Internet.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think we will eventually see VideoHub or something along those lines with a similar hosting platform from the PornHub company, just for non-porn.
They may try it--they have the expertise, and the infrastructure--but I think they will try to separate the brands, and I doubt they will be able to do better than vimeo.
>They'll try to separate the brands
I'm pretty sure they will, and they already have a lot of experience doing that.
It's incredible how many people in this topic mention "PornHub", but not "MindGeek". They could just start yet another video streaming site and probably most people wouldn't know that it's using the same technology as the top porn sites.
Re: How I tried to compete with YouTube and Google with Livevideo.com
#50> At one point, I believe it was over 74 million and after a Google search change, that number went down to less than 12 million overnight, so all the backlinks, all the websites that were linking to my site, that boosted my rank, that gave my site a good search cloud. This was all organic. I did not use tricks or anything deceptive. This was all organic traffic. These were all organic backlinks and all of a sudden G…
Best practices are being followed now; but a large sales team at its worst more than ten years ago might be caught out in bad behavior. Less plausible is the scenario of failing as a result of ad-pay for search-play. If the equation is proven out, then he, a rational and effective founder, would’ve paid!—And his site would’ve played another day. Or are we supposed to read an implication that it was worth burning the…
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if, once in a while, an unscrupulous sales rep hinted that they can get their customers favorable search positions after buying ads.
But I would be really surprised if anyone could follow through with their promises.