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Re: Unemployed Fishing

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There is something truly therapeutic about fishing. It might be because it helps us connect back with our evolutionary roots - out in nature, focusing on the task at hand to the exclusion of all else, and then experiencing the dopamine rush that comes with a good catch.

I went crabbing for the first time recently and it was just ludicrously enjoyable.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

#42

There is something truly therapeutic about fishing. It might be because it helps us connect back with our evolutionary roots - out in nature, focusing on the task at hand to the exclusion of all else, and then experiencing the dopamine rush that comes with a good catch.

I must be weird. I find fishing, sunning on the beach, sitting in a lawn chair, etc., extremely dull, and last about 5 minutes at it. This was true for me long before the internet :-)

I think the dullness is a feature, not a bug. For me, these activities are a time of emptying the mind of things that are "busy", self reflection, etc. I find it a very important part of my mental health.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

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post #22

In the comment section was “learn to code.” Totally Insensitive... and not that I agree, but nonetheless close to the point. The consolidation and automation of news is here to stay, and not just journalists/writers — all of us, in fact — need to be very careful to learn the new skills it takes to compete in an increasingly automated world.

The reason why that person said "learn to code" to the journalist was because when coal miners were losing their jobs, many articles were written condescendly implying that miners should "learn to code" and abandon the profession they've spent their entire lives in. Some examples [1]. It's less of an insensitive position and more of a reminder that what goes around comes around, that writing articles isn't any more secure of a profession than mining coal, and to not expect sympathy when you didn't show it to others who were previously in the same situation. I'm not saying that this writer was insensitive towards coal miners, but this is the sentiment behind the phrase.

[1] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyC-qmDWkAAKJvU?format=jpg&name=...

Re: Unemployed Fishing

#44

The trouble with corporate jobs is that we tend not to cultivate a social support network and activities outside of it because many of these jobs are a kind of slavish race to the bottom where people compete to show their sacrifices in exchange for managerial favor. Some ways to hedge the (arguably, insane) social risks of your corporate job are, before you are unemployed: - learn to fish, as the author mentions. Hun…

> - No matter what you hear about others, your severance will be a nasty insult and you will very likely have to spend to hire a lawyer to get what you are owed. Find one now and agree on a rate while you have a job.

While it's a nice sentiment for thought, severance pay isn't mandatory in the U.S. and there's no requirement for it in the Fair Labor Standards Act[0]. Severance seems more like a customary courtesy, like tipping.

[0]: https://www.dol.gov/general/topic/wages/severancepay

Re: Unemployed Fishing

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The trouble with corporate jobs is that we tend not to cultivate a social support network and activities outside of it because many of these jobs are a kind of slavish race to the bottom where people compete to show their sacrifices in exchange for managerial favor. Some ways to hedge the (arguably, insane) social risks of your corporate job are, before you are unemployed: - learn to fish, as the author mentions. Hun…

> - No matter what you hear about others, your severance will be a nasty insult and you will very likely have to spend to hire a lawyer to get what you are owed. Find one now and agree on a rate while you have a job. While it's a nice sentiment for thought, severance pay isn't mandatory in the U.S. and there's no requirement for it in the Fair Labor Standards Act[0]. Severance seems more like a customary courtesy, li…

I don’t think the GP was implying that everyone gets severance. Generally employers are often in legal grey areas when they are letting people go; particularly in cases where there is no legal or policy violation. In these cases they often try to bully you into giving up your rights. Severance is payment for agreeing to waive your right to sue for wrongful termination.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who does code, I think most people would be worse off by learning to code. It can be a rewarding job for someone who enjoys constantly solving crazy puzzles but, even for those who love to code, it can still be a miserable experience. Most people aren't particularly grabbed by the ability to control what a computer does the way that we "geeks" are. They would be bored out of their minds the second they hav…

65k is barely liveable now? What percent of the US do you think makes over that amount?

And sitting at a desk in a heated/air conditioned office is not just like every other job - especially those that involve cleaning.

But I agree that if you don't enjoy programming, you're probably not going to be especially good at it.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

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post #36

The trouble with corporate jobs is that we tend not to cultivate a social support network and activities outside of it because many of these jobs are a kind of slavish race to the bottom where people compete to show their sacrifices in exchange for managerial favor. Some ways to hedge the (arguably, insane) social risks of your corporate job are, before you are unemployed: - learn to fish, as the author mentions. Hun…

Very wise; excellent advice. Any adult who has faced the prospect of unemployment can probably hear this fairly well, but is there any way to communicate this concept to younger people? I'd have loved to come out of college with a better perspective on what "employment" means for a life.

Thank you. I think the point of an undergrad degree is to produce credulity. My recent comment history has one about about how money is made, and that's the perspective I think young people should have. tl;dr: it's a scale of dependency, labour, time, skill, risk, capital, power.

STEM people are not typically taught negotiations, sales, political science, marketing, or business and we're often given this conceit that we're above all that, which I think keeps us stupid and cheap.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a job is guaranteed by the government under all circumstances, I think you’ll find the worst of the worst in many cases for co-“workers”. Many people would prefer to work 50+ hours/week for 15-20 years rather than 25 hours/week for 40-50 years.

How many people working 50 hours a week are being compensated such that they can retire in 15-20 years? I’d guess vanishingly few.

Very few for sure. Even if it were only 1 person, I would still object to a government mandate to bar that.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who does code, I think most people would be worse off by learning to code. It can be a rewarding job for someone who enjoys constantly solving crazy puzzles but, even for those who love to code, it can still be a miserable experience. Most people aren't particularly grabbed by the ability to control what a computer does the way that we "geeks" are. They would be bored out of their minds the second they hav…

65k is barely liveable now? What percent of the US do you think makes over that amount?

You're right. You can live on that amount, perhaps well depending on how and where you situate yourself. It's basically middle-income. How far that income will get you in a place like San Francisco, Los Angeles, or New York is another thing.

Re: Unemployed Fishing

#50

There is something truly therapeutic about fishing. It might be because it helps us connect back with our evolutionary roots - out in nature, focusing on the task at hand to the exclusion of all else, and then experiencing the dopamine rush that comes with a good catch.

I must be weird. I find fishing, sunning on the beach, sitting in a lawn chair, etc., extremely dull, and last about 5 minutes at it. This was true for me long before the internet :-)

Surf casting (fishing off the beach) is as passive as you make it. You can just cast and let it leave, or you can work the water, moving up and down the beach looking for fish.

But there are lots of ways to fish. I enjoy being mobile, looking for fish is part of the fun. And since you generally can't see fish, you have to look for other signs.

See this link for a video on reading the water. It's about trout and streams, but similar ideas apply for lots of other types of fishing (including from shore, wading, and from a boat).

https://youtu.be/X2egNshRU2A

Even if you find them, there is still a physical and intellectual technical component. Can you put your lure on the fish, can you present it, did you choose the right one, etc.

Lots of things are dull of you only invest a minimum amount of effort.

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