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Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by BanazirGalbasi »

bwb wrote: post #39
sieabahlpark wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol, is this a paid account? This seems to ignore just how bad this issue is.

Super bad issue, just merely voicing I think they will fix it. Everyone seems to go into this shark feeding frenzy of how they are terrible and will never fix it. I get tired of that shit and merely pointing out this is a well run big company and they are going to fix it. The mob mentality in these comments is overwhelming sometimes.

They were informed of the issue, proposed a quick fix, were told why the quick fix wasn't adequate, then went through with it anyway. That doesn't really inspire confidence in a company's security, especially not when their PR response to a potential threat is "we have no indication that this has ever happened"

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by bwb »

seieste wrote: post #40
bwb wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Super bad issue, just merely voicing I think they will fix it. Everyone seems to go into this shark feeding frenzy of how they are terrible and will never fix it. I get tired of that shit and merely pointing out this is a well run big company and they are going to fix it. The mob mentality in these comments is overwhelming sometimes.

The question is not “Will it be fixed?” but “Why is it there In the first place?” Given that the app makes a request to zipow.com to download the new installer, the auto-reinstallation is not a bug or an issue, but an intentional and anti-consumer design decision.

Yep but everyone in this community should know the answer there, we aren't perfect, we don't think about everything and we make mistakes. Then you fix them.

Too many people are just piling on without examining themselves and their own work.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by en-us »

bwb wrote: post #42
seieste wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is not “Will it be fixed?” but “Why is it there In the first place?” Given that the app makes a request to zipow.com to download the new installer, the auto-reinstallation is not a bug or an issue, but an intentional and anti-consumer design decision.

Yep but everyone in this community should know the answer there, we aren't perfect, we don't think about everything and we make mistakes. Then you fix them. Too many people are just piling on without examining themselves and their own work.

You're ignoring much of the story, such as the part where they ignored the issue for months and then released a patch that they were told is ineffective.

So yes, we all make mistakes, and we should fix them promptly and correctly. Zoom did neither, and then put out that nonsense PR blog.

There's no way I will trust that company again after how they handled this.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by bwb »

en-us wrote: post #43
bwb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep but everyone in this community should know the answer there, we aren't perfect, we don't think about everything and we make mistakes. Then you fix them. Too many people are just piling on without examining themselves and their own work.

You're ignoring much of the story, such as the part where they ignored the issue for months and then released a patch that they were told is ineffective. So yes, we all make mistakes, and we should fix them promptly and correctly. Zoom did neither, and then put out that nonsense PR blog. There's no way I will trust that company again after how they handled this.

Not ignoring, but I've seen similar from many companies we all work for. Of course, your criticism against them is fair too. And, I can also show you many companies who haven't gotten their shit together in 90 to 120 days too.

Give them some time and I think they will fix this and fix the issues that caused them to not catch this the first time and fix it as quickly as we would all like.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by seieste »

bwb wrote: post #44
en-us wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're ignoring much of the story, such as the part where they ignored the issue for months and then released a patch that they were told is ineffective. So yes, we all make mistakes, and we should fix them promptly and correctly. Zoom did neither, and then put out that nonsense PR blog. There's no way I will trust that company again after how they handled this.

Not ignoring, but I've seen similar from many companies we all work for. Of course, your criticism against them is fair too. And, I can also show you many companies who haven't gotten their shit together in 90 to 120 days too. Give them some time and I think they will fix this and fix the issues that caused them to not catch this the first time and fix it as quickly as we would all like.

If you go into the bathroom of a restaurant and see cockroaches, would you feel comforted by management telling you to give them time, because they will definitely get rid of them and to not be too worried that they haven't already gotten rid of them?

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

latexr wrote: post #14
PhasmaFelis wrote: post #11

Could you explain the problem in words, please? Not in a position to watch a video right now.

It’s a silent video of less than two minutes. It shows a user on macOS quitting the Zoom app[1], dragging it to the Trash and emptying it. They stay still for about one minute and fifteen seconds, at which point Zoom pops up on the Dock again, opening its window. [1]: This Zoom: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20387298

Thanks! That was a lot quicker to read than watching the video.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by latexr »

bastawhiz wrote: post #24

I really hope Zoom promptly fixes all these recent issues. I've used so many video conferencing solutions. Vidyo was amazingly unreliable. BlueJeans had the most amazingly awful interface I've ever encountered. P2P WebRTC solutions get destroyed when there's more than a couple people on a call. Hangouts has decent call quality but had spooky issues, like all parties joining a call, but each appearing as if they're th…

> I really hope Zoom promptly fixes all these recent issues.

They don’t see them as issues, but as features. These happen on purpose. They’ve said as much, including that they don’t intend to change this behaviour. If they do it now, it’ll be because they’re trying to stop the bad press and not because they believe these are problems, which means they can’t be trusted to not pull other crap like this in the future.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by latexr »

bwb wrote: post #32

I am pretty confident the Zoom team can fix this and the other issues mentioned in the great security article from yesterday. They seem to do good stuff and I love how well it works.

> I am pretty confident the Zoom team can fix this and the other issues mentioned in the great security article from yesterday.

I am pretty confident they won’t, because they’ve said they consider these to be features and intend to keep it that way. If they backpedal now it won’t be because they’ve realised how user-hostile this is, but because they’ve gotten so much bad press.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by bwb »

seieste wrote: post #45
bwb wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not ignoring, but I've seen similar from many companies we all work for. Of course, your criticism against them is fair too. And, I can also show you many companies who haven't gotten their shit together in 90 to 120 days too. Give them some time and I think they will fix this and fix the issues that caused them to not catch this the first time and fix it as quickly as we would all like.

If you go into the bathroom of a restaurant and see cockroaches, would you feel comforted by management telling you to give them time, because they will definitely get rid of them and to not be too worried that they haven't already gotten rid of them?

Bad analogy :)

But you guys do what you want, I am getting tired of the mob mentality and extremism that seems to permeate these and other discussions. Why not give them some time and not adopt such an extreme position.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by bastawhiz »

stcredzero wrote: post #37
bastawhiz wrote: post #24

I really hope Zoom promptly fixes all these recent issues. I've used so many video conferencing solutions. Vidyo was amazingly unreliable. BlueJeans had the most amazingly awful interface I've ever encountered. P2P WebRTC solutions get destroyed when there's more than a couple people on a call. Hangouts has decent call quality but had spooky issues, like all parties joining a call, but each appearing as if they're th…

The UI for the desktop client is a bit rough around the edges, but it's certainly not the worst. It is the worst for giving presentations. I had practiced for giving a presentation from my MacBook, and it was sprung on me when I arrived. Zoom "oh so helpfully" pops down a control panel every time the mouse cursor approaches the menus at the top of the screen. It also "oh so helpfully" puts itself into fullscreen when…

Unfortunately the default settings aren't great. But if you've got the patience to configure it (e.g., you're a remote employee) it's much more tolerable.
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