What about missing jack and hdmi ports?
Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
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Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#42So I guess now we know why Ive got fired?
Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#43Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)
In code the reason we don't do wholesale rewrites of complicated systems very often is because while there are bugs in the current system they're known quantities; going back to the drawing board and starting from scratch results in a newer, better, but unknown system with unknown bugs. That might be worse. It's a massive risk. This is true for Apple's new keyboard too. We can't automatically assume it's better than…
Nobody said they need to start from scratch. This failure of a keyboard already proved your point. Simply going back to the previous design and iterating from that would have been a massive improvement.
Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#44Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)
> Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops I think they admitted something was wrong as soon as they created the replacement program, it's just they have been completely unwilling to alter their planned product schedule to fix it early. When they create a laptop design they expect to be able to ship the same basic chassis design for 3-4 years and in t…
> Both these fixes could have been in the market 1-2 years ago if they company truly wanted it.
How much development time does Apple need for a new laptop design? I think it takes them about 2 years.
So if you say they could have had fixed keyboards in 2017, they would have had to start designing them in 2015, which is a year before the 2016 models even went on sale.
My assumption is that they only realized that the butterfly switches are unsalvageable after the July 2017 upgrade failed to fix the problems, so they started working on new Macbook designs with scissor switches in late 2017, which will be released in 2019/2020.
Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#45Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#46Too late for me. I've already jumped ship and the effort of moving back isn't worth it. I still have and use apple products, but I've no interest in buying any more now, thanks to the shoddy experience I had with their more recent products. I also have no interest in airpods, so a new iphone is out too. Apple won me over quite late and then within about two years lost me again. It made me sad, because I really liked their products during that time, especially the multi-device experience, but I now already use too many non-Apple devices for that to matter and don't care anymore now.
Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#47The complexity and cost of butterfly keyboards comparatively to traditional keyboards, reliables and cheaps just reminds me a bit an article I read on the development of Electromagnetic Catapults in US Navy (hard to build, astronomical costs).
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#48Don't understand the problem. I like new keyboard more than the previous one, I'm indifferent to touchbar and mapping escape to capslock was the best thing ever. The only thing I hate is keys getting stuck, but it actually stopped happening(2017 model). I wouldn't like to come back to old keyboard now.
The problem is that the keyboard breaks very easily, at random.
My previous work laptop (2017 MBP) had keys sticking within about 3 or 4 months of getting it.
Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#49Finally! It took four years to admit there is something wrong. And one more year to change upcoming laptops. - It‘s unbelievable how this crap could be released. Coming from a ThinkPad to a MBP in 2015 I was even disappointed by the keyboard of the MBP 2015. Then switching to a MBP 2018 I was shocked how much worse things could get (for the sake of thinness?)
What’s wrong with the 2015? That’s the last good version of the keyboard IMO.
If you have a mint 2015 mac pro 15" with box and battery -- I predict it will be going up in value.
Re: Kuo: Apple to include new scissor switch keyboard in MacBook
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Touchbar: Never use it. Reprogrammed my keys to have Esc mapped on Caps (if it‘s hit alone) and Ctrl (it if is hit in combination with other keys).
Given that I am not a vi user, ESC being there doesn't matter to me. There are the F keys when debugging, but I tend to jump between them and mouse anyway. Since I only use Mac devices occasionally at work, I guess all in all it doesn't make that bad impression on me, versus fighting single keys for input.
As a vim user, I always use Ctrl-[ anyway instead of escape. So I map my capslock to control.
(Although nowadays I mainly use a kinesis advantage keyboard so non of that matters much anymore. Hell, many of vi's features like hjkl movement don't matter anymore either as all the modifier keys are all easily reachable now)