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ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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The whole decentralize everything! movement seems to overlook DNS. I get that technically the DNS system is decentralized, but in reality, you lease a domain from a random, usually politically charged entity, who can do anything with it, if they wish. We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. Unfortunately none of the attempts - .onion…

Simple, don't have reserved names!

Nobody owns our language.

Martti Malmi, Satoshi's first Bitcoin contributor, solved this several years ago:

https://github.com/irislib/iris/blob/master/README.md#identi...

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes This means nothing. It's like when you get the hiring paperwork and the HR person says regarding the non-compete: "oh, don't worry about it, it's not enforceable"...

Exactly. If it's not an issue or it's not enforceable, then why not put it in writing?

Because then they would be accountable. This whole process was a sham, I wrote about it https://reviewsignal.com/blog/2019/07/01/icann-fails-the-int...

The contract was written behind closed doors and approved exactly as proposed. The public comment period was a sham (no surprise).

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake.

Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same problem with SSL certificates -- the position of LetsEncrypt is now that they shouldn't be used for identity verification.

There would be some awful challenges if we got rid of the human-readable part of domains, but the benefits of moving to something like a unique hash or key instead:

- instantly getting a domain for anything and have it be permanent, without any renewals.

- getting rid of most name-squatting.

- being explicit and up-front with consumers about the dangers of phishing, and the need to build separate identity-verification infrastructure that couldn't be beaten with dumb attacks like the `rn m` trick.

I dunno. It could be a really bad, stupid idea, but I want to start thinking about if there are ways we could share domains in a hashed form on podcasts/posters/etc... that would mitigate some of the obvious downsides to having them be difficult to remember or type.

I know IPFS and DAT are using hashes for everything, but as far as I know they're both falling back on stuff like IPNS and human-readable aliases when URLs get shared, and to me those have the exact same downsides as the domain system we're already using today. I'm not necessarily advocating anything, it's just less obvious to me today that a naming system that uses actual words provides more benefits than downsides.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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post #31
post #7

The whole decentralize everything! movement seems to overlook DNS. I get that technically the DNS system is decentralized, but in reality, you lease a domain from a random, usually politically charged entity, who can do anything with it, if they wish. We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. Unfortunately none of the attempts - .onion…

> one where an individual can request and have a domain for life Annual payment is proof that you're still alive. AlterNIC tried settint up alternate tlds years ago, and is now gone. The problems are an alternate root is very unlikely to get consensus, and name resolution without consensus isn't very useful; and you're not going to be able to have friendly names without an arbiter to decide who gets pmlnr.example.

> Annual payment is proof that you're still alive.

I don't want my domains sold after I die, and I don't want my bookmarks to stop working after someone else dies.

The only parts of a website that I want tied to someone's lifespan is:

- whether or not the site is updated, and

- how the site is hosted

If I could snap my fingers and magically figure out a way to make the site's hosting outlive the person, I'd do that as well. For me, extend GP's original statement to read

> one where an individual can request a domain and have it removed from the market permanently.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

You can do that today with IP addresses. v6 ones are plentiful. But I don't know how SSL would work without the domain part.

EDIT: Cloudflare pulls it off here so it's certainly possible. https://1.1.1.1

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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> This is despite only six out of over 3,000 comments being in favor of removing price caps.

Oh.. okay. Seems totally fair. If ICANN et al. want to charge an arm and a leg from non-profits seeking a .org domain on a public utility, I guess we can say goodbye to the prestige generally associated with that extension.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

The DNS only provides one upside: memorable names.

But there aren't enough downsides to ever be more important than this one feature, or you would just be telling people IP addresses already.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

The effect would be to give Google even more power. It wouldn't just be your older, less tech-savvy relative who now type "cnn" into the Google search bar every time they want to visit cnn.com.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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post #47

I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

The DNS only provides one upside: memorable names. But there aren't enough downsides to ever be more important than this one feature, or you would just be telling people IP addresses already.

I want to be able to carry a domain between IP addresses.

But to rephrase your argument in a way that does feel more convincing to me, maybe there aren't enough downsides to ever be more important than this one feature, or I would be registering random strings for my domains already, just to get rid of the effort of finding new names for things I'm building.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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I'm slowly starting to suspect that maybe having human-readable names for domains is a mistake. Partially because phishing domains is already kind of easy (the rapid increase in tlds isn't helping ), partially because the race to grab and hold names has been having increasing negative effects, and partially because (aside from domains) many actual URLs are already impossible to remember. We're running into the same p…

How do you advertise it or word-of-mouth the domain?
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