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Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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There have been a flurry of alarmists posts like these but somehow I cant wrap my head around how will we run out of water. I stay in Bangalore and some people do have the problem of water - but for the most part it doesnt seem to be an issue of 'lack' of water perse but mostly distribution issues. Bangalore has been having intermittent rains throughout the summers and even though few people use them now, but if situ…

Let me give the PoV from Hyderabad. Hyderabad gets water from mainly 3 sources;

1. Musi river water/Manjeera 2. the Large lakes like Hussain/Osmania Sagar etc. 3. ground water/borewells

My apartment society in Gachibowli area, just ran of water for a few days back in June. The borewell just couldnt get the water. There is no lake around us.

Getting the river water connection would be around Rs.15_00_0000. To add to the issues, the gov is not giving out new river water connections without a longdrawn process and the river water itself is too low to sustain all the existing connection.

Right now several apartment societies with 3000+ apartments in them are coming up in my immediate neighbourhood. So next year, we can expect the borewell water to be over way before june (early may?). We will certainly don't have river water connection by then. So, we will be dependent on water takers for a few months. this year the tankers are charging 8k (from 2k last year) for each refill. next year, the price would be over 20k for each refill.

Rain water harvesting doesnt works greatly in areas like ours which only get a few months of rain. Where will you keep the harvested water for the next 8-9 months? How do you maintain the quality of this stagnant water? So, most likely people would end up using it and the hope would be that an equivalent amount of ground water will be spared. It really doesnt works out in practice. People don't ration the water usage and will not until it gets dire. Also rain harvesting infra will take years to set up. Desalinating water is not much help as transporting the water is a logistical issue. So yes, while there are possible solutions, they will take a lot of political will to execute and will certainly take more than a few years to bear fruit. The situation, till then will be bad.

The water in all lakes is incredibly low. The lakes are also extremely dirty (http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/hyderabad/2018/oct/07...) The water is already contaminated by industrial waste.

2020 is going to be bad for us in Hyderabad. Not Chennai level bad. but we will get there in the next few years. And what i do know of Bangalore form my other friends who live there, its pretty bad there already. A lot of large societies are dependent on tanker waters despite Bangalore having much more rainfall than Hyderabad.

All in all, I think this level of alarm is not just necessary, it should have come a decade ago, when it would have been easier to circumvent. Hyderabad's population will cross 12MM by 2030. Now, whatever approach we end up taking, its gonna be costly, hard to execute and will take a lot of time. And will probably will not be enough.

EDIT: I am wildly off on the Hyderabad population growth. The existing census data is from 2011. Apparently we crossed 12MM in 2019. https://indiapopulation2019.com/population-of-hyderabad-2019... If correct, this is over the population of major mega cities like NY, LA etc.

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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When you cover large swarth of land with concert the rain water goes on the roof and on the road goes to gutter and makes it way to sevege. In absence, of this it is drawn underground and refills underground water.

When people were building these concert jungles, they didn't keep in mind where the water comes from and how exactly it's refilled and what we can do to replenish the capacity lost due to our development projects.

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Watersheds may be a little too large to work well as administrative regions.

or go all in, and establish a world government. I think a single governing body is the only true way forward for humanity, if humanity is to move beyond earth and be a space faring civilization.

Talking of space faring .. according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organi..., the Indian Space Research Organisation budget of 11,538.26 crore (US$1.7 billion)(2019–20 est.) would buy a lot of water infrastructure, but that's obviously not as exciting as going to Space..

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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India does not have a water issue, they have a population issue, but it’s really hard to mange the population, so natural resources are being consumed beyond sustainability. This problem is not confined to India, it’s a problem with humanity. Nature is working on a correction.

I beg to differ, India's population density is comparable to many Western European countries. They a problem of population distribution. Like many developing nations, populations cluster in large cities leading to pressures on resources.

Not all land is livable. And more land becomes livable if the population residing on them have more resources.

Many places in Scandinavia go below -20c and people live there because they've means to heat up the spaces where they live.

People are surviving in dessert where there is no natural water because they've built sea water planets.

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If we do not limit the number of people who can get in, it will naturally result in whole population of India moving into these cities. The population of France does not all live in Paris, nor that of the USA in New York. Even in as small a country as Luxembourg not everyone lives in Luxembourg City.

I must ask, does Paris or Luxembourg has slums like Mumbai has? Higher prices doesn't stop people below poverty line from coming to Mumbai and living below the standards here.

No, in part because they don’t have rent control that has frozen rents since 1947 or urban planning laws which make building densely illegal.

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/04/tw...

https://mru.org/courses/principles-economics-microeconomics/...

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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More context on this: https://twitter.com/jslaternyc/status/1144483586042548225

I really don't think Twitter is the correct platform for long-form discussions and writeups. It's so disjointed to try and read through that.

Is it really that hard to scroll down?

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or go all in, and establish a world government. I think a single governing body is the only true way forward for humanity, if humanity is to move beyond earth and be a space faring civilization.

Talking of space faring .. according to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Space_Research_Organi... , the Indian Space Research Organisation budget of 11,538.26 crore (US$1.7 billion)(2019–20 est.) would buy a lot of water infrastructure, but that's obviously not as exciting as going to Space..

ISRO provides and interprets a lot of meteorological data crucial for the agrarian economy of India amongst other things. ISRO is mostly focused on activities that benefit India in the now(launching higher resolution meteorological satellites/cooperating with EU on launch vehicles) vs countries like the US/China that focus on the future(spacelabs/spacex/mars mission etc)

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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I think the govt must stop factories, soda factories, mineral water companies taking ground water ASAP.

Agricultural irrigation is a far bigger problem, particularly because existing systems are hugely wasteful due to subsidies (water and even the electricity to pump it is often free), leakage and corruption.

Re: Twenty-one cities in India will run out of groundwater by 2020

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I think the govt must stop factories, soda factories, mineral water companies taking ground water ASAP.

How many litres of water does it take to make a litre of mineral water?

How does that compare with a kg of lettuce, or tomatoes, or beef?

Bottled water has its problems, water use isnt really one of them.

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