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Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by monocasa »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #19
mullingitover wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is still with Linux running in a VM though, right? I'd like a lightweight VM for legacy Windows and Linux running on metal. Given Microsoft's zeal for legacy support I'd say there's a snowball's chance in hell for this, but a man can dream.

I dont think its a VM like Docker no. WSL processes show up under the task manager. This is more like Wine but Line... In a sense. But a little trickier.

Docker's not a VM.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by filmgirlcw »

mullingitover wrote: post #10

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

Disclosure: I work at Microsoft but not on Windows (and my work machine is a MacBook Pro FWIW)

WSL 2 is a lot like that -- it's a VM in the sense that it uses Hyper-V, but it's super lightweight. And in fact, when WSL 2 is enabled, both Windows AND Linux are running in the same type of VM (separate, obviously), so it's near-native performance in a lot of ways. There are still some I/O issues that the team is actively working on, but early benchmarks are quite promising.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by viraptor »

dralley wrote: post #5
ncmncm wrote: post #4

Embrace... Extend...

Overused meme is overused. Please explain to me how EEE can be applied to GPLv2 code.

It can be pretty easily applied to GPLv2 in commercial agreement. "You get the source under GPL and all the rights, but if you publish anything, you're dead to us and you need our product". This is what grsecurity does with Linux kernel, but the extinguish part is not in their interest.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by TimTheTinker »

Scarbutt wrote: post #35
mullingitover wrote: post #10

I wish Microsoft would release their own linux-based OS with a compatibility layer to let me run Windows apps. I'm not overly impressed with the direction Apple is going but I really enjoy a *nix-native environment too much to go back to vanilla Windows. It would change the math a lot for me if it was full-blown linux under the hood.

This will make windows more linuxy than macos. So for all that just want a local nix enviroment for dev (and to most these means linux), Microsoft has actually beat Apple at this.

... except that (a) WSLv2's kernel will be running in a VM, and (b) macOS's kernel is much more like Linux's -- fork/exec, networking, filesystem, memory, TTY.

I see WSLv2 as more of a concession that a *nix-style interface is what developers want, and that the NT kernel can't deliver that.

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by NullPrefix »

xfer wrote: post #31
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Wouldn't it be the year of the "Microsoft emulating Linux behind the scenes" desktop, aka still Microsoft windows?

Emualting? Literally shipping a kernel and distro with their OS..

Wine is not an Emulator

Re: Microsoft's Linux Kernel

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Post by nordsieck »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #9
bitlax wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What has Microsoft extinguished lately?

Indeed... It is Google now that does the extinguishing...

> It is Google now that does the extinguishing...

Although, to be fair, they are really only extinguishing their own products.

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