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Re: The International Space Station is growing mould, inside and outside

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Seriously, is this a threat or is it the unexpected boon of getting a jump-start on terraforming? If you could press a button and "contaminate" Mars with life that would start spreading and generating an oxygen atmosphere, wouldn't you?

It would mean you have a much harder time finding out if Mars once had life, if instead you're detecting mold that hitched a ride with your spacecraft.

I think you're right, this is the best argument against.

Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy[0] deals with this a great deal, the early scientists pretty quickly devolve into two camps, terraformers and preservationists. There's a lot of other things going on as well, but this is one subplot.

At one point in the book, a terraformer made the argument if we discovered life on Mars we'd never know how or when it got there anyway. The monkeys in South America are an interesting parallel - total mystery. Best hunch is that some survivable population "rafted" across the Atlantic at some point - under conditions somehow rare enough to have happened exactly once in 40 million years.

KSR doesn't explicitly take a side, but seems to think that terraforming will be inevitable, so we might as well get on with it.

On the other hand, Mars may not be terraformable.[1] The challenges there are so extensive as to possibly be insurmountable. Consider that we are so accustomed to certain environmental conditions that changes so subtle as working extended hours in a popcorn factory can give us cancer.[2] Mars just has toxic soil, a low enough gravity as to probably prevent a sustainable atmosphere, and is constantly bombarded with radiation.

But who knows, futurism is hard because humanity is pretty ingenious.

Isaac Arthur has an extended video on terraforming that's worth watching if you want to dive deeply into this topic.[3]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_trilogy

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terraforming_of_Mars#Challenge...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronchiolitis_obliterans#Diace...

[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikoNQNj9ZnU

Re: The International Space Station is growing mould, inside and outside

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I'm more excited by the prospect that we've started terraforming Venus. It has an atmosphere, and with a lot of CO2. Wouldn't take many surviving plant microbes on one of the probes we've sent to start things off. Get the CO2 under control and in a few million years it might be downright balmy.

I think the big problem is that there is no water on Venus though?

The problem is there's very little hydrogen on Venus. It has next to no magnetic field, too. Days last 243 Earth days. There are a lot of problems with Venus.

Re: The International Space Station is growing mould, inside and outside

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"The research touches on this, and it warns astronauts to follow recommended planetary protection protocols designed to prevent visiting spacecraft from contaminating other planets and moons in our solar system with microorganisms from Earth. The study suggests that, because of the risk of contamination, these fungal spores may need to be considered a more serious threat." This makes me wonder if we've accidentally a…

Seriously, is this a threat or is it the unexpected boon of getting a jump-start on terraforming? If you could press a button and "contaminate" Mars with life that would start spreading and generating an oxygen atmosphere, wouldn't you?

Yes I would; if you think it a useful idea for humans to become a multiplanetary species, then it seems to me just as important that life itself be multiplanetary.

And that we ought to be spamming as much life as we can, the hardiest Earth organisms, as far as we can onto any body where they stand a chance of taking hold - Venus, Europa, Martian poles, comets, lobbing things at distant stars with planets intending them to crash land. If humans can't make it off Earth, something might be able to, and it needs our help.

Re: The International Space Station is growing mould, inside and outside

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It would mean you have a much harder time finding out if Mars once had life, if instead you're detecting mold that hitched a ride with your spacecraft.

That's fine though. Having a second home for humanity is more important than maximally preserving the ability to detect past life (note that we wouldn't be eliminating that ability, just hindering it somewhat). Also, we think we'd be able to tell pretty easily whether any life detected is from Earth (i.e. we brought it along with us). Life that isn't descended from the same tree of life as us is likely to be radicall…

Assuming they originated independently, sure. Panspermia (see other comments) suggests that life from one planet might easily end up on another, or that both may originate elsewhere.

Re: The International Space Station is growing mould, inside and outside

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"The research touches on this, and it warns astronauts to follow recommended planetary protection protocols designed to prevent visiting spacecraft from contaminating other planets and moons in our solar system with microorganisms from Earth. The study suggests that, because of the risk of contamination, these fungal spores may need to be considered a more serious threat." This makes me wonder if we've accidentally a…

If these spores are evolving new properties under the conditions of space, is there danger of contaminating Earth with "super mould"?
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