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Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or else what?

If you're a registered ham, the FCC has your address, so they can fine you or revoke the license.

And if you’re not, registered hams make a game out of finding particularly egregious pirate stations and reporting them to the FCC.

Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

#42
post #15

I find it funny that so often so many commenters on "Hacker" News are terrified of breaking the rules... Also, there's plenty of world outside of USA.

Well, most people here are corporate and/or state bootlickers. I'm sorry you've been duped by this website's name. Regarding their USA-centrism, you shouldn't be surprised, after all it's mostly a Sillicon Valley hivemind, take that as you will.

I suggest searching greener pastures.

Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

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post #6

I don't think this is allowed under USA Amateur radio rules. > §97.113 Prohibited transmissions. > (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules ; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that commu…

Why are hams the closest thing to the equivalent of tech tattle-tales? Any time I see someone doing something neat and legally grey on radio, some ham operator has to come in, quote their understanding of the law, and chastise everyone. What's the point? Do they get to feel some sense of authority and privilege that the rest of the nerd world don't for a few minutes? Just let people do cool stuff and don't snitch.

The rules are a major part of the exam required to get a license so most hams know them well. The FCC and the ARRL make a big deal out of knowing and following the rules. It's simply part of the culture.

Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

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post #6

I don't think this is allowed under USA Amateur radio rules. > §97.113 Prohibited transmissions. > (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules ; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that commu…

Why are hams the closest thing to the equivalent of tech tattle-tales? Any time I see someone doing something neat and legally grey on radio, some ham operator has to come in, quote their understanding of the law, and chastise everyone. What's the point? Do they get to feel some sense of authority and privilege that the rest of the nerd world don't for a few minutes? Just let people do cool stuff and don't snitch.

Maybe they care about the law.

Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

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post #40
post #6

I don't think this is allowed under USA Amateur radio rules. > §97.113 Prohibited transmissions. > (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules ; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that commu…

Why are hams the closest thing to the equivalent of tech tattle-tales? Any time I see someone doing something neat and legally grey on radio, some ham operator has to come in, quote their understanding of the law, and chastise everyone. What's the point? Do they get to feel some sense of authority and privilege that the rest of the nerd world don't for a few minutes? Just let people do cool stuff and don't snitch.

Hams are continuously fighting to keep their spectrum (and slowly losing it to commercial interests). It is a commonly held belief that unlicensed hackers or hams breaking the law hurts the community’s arguments for keeping their spectrum.

So it’s not viewed in the ham community as tattling, but rather self policing. Because if they don’t do it themselves then papa FCC is just going to take away everyone’s toys. Responsible and lawful use of radios is the name of the game.

Source: I’m a general class licensed ham.

Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

#46
post #8

Private messages, relaying for 3rd parties and encryption are prohibited in Ham Radio, so thinking about (international) transactions over ham radio is just plain bullshit. This is the first thing every licensed Ham learns. What you're looking at here are licensed commercial radio services.

> relaying for 3rd parties That's not against the rules. The Amateur Radio Relay League (ARRL) gets it's name for doing this. It's illegal to hide these messages or to use them for a commercial purpose. Original HAMs used to do radio telegrams (radiograms) for the public [0]. [0] - http://www.ncarrl.org/nets/mes_form.html

> Original HAMs used to do radio telegrams (radiograms) for the public

HAMs still do this. Messages from people isolated in Puerto Rico by hurricane Maria were relayed to the US mainland via HAM radio operators on the island. For some time that was the only thing available.

Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

#47
post #40
post #6

I don't think this is allowed under USA Amateur radio rules. > §97.113 Prohibited transmissions. > (b) An amateur station shall not engage in any form of broadcasting, nor may an amateur station transmit one-way communications except as specifically provided in these rules ; nor shall an amateur station engage in any activity related to program production or news gathering for broadcasting purposes, except that commu…

Why are hams the closest thing to the equivalent of tech tattle-tales? Any time I see someone doing something neat and legally grey on radio, some ham operator has to come in, quote their understanding of the law, and chastise everyone. What's the point? Do they get to feel some sense of authority and privilege that the rest of the nerd world don't for a few minutes? Just let people do cool stuff and don't snitch.

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Re: Cypherpunks Tapping Bitcoin via Ham Radio

#49
post #15

I find it funny that so often so many commenters on "Hacker" News are terrified of breaking the rules... Also, there's plenty of world outside of USA.

Originally the term 'hacking' was coined in MIT and had a positive connotation, referring to experts who have intricate knowledge of systems. PAGE 731 of the (ISC)2 official study guide states,"The original definition of a hacker is a technology enthusiast that does not have malicious intent whereas a cracker or attacker is malicious."

https://www.skillset.com/questions/what-did-the-term-hacking...

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