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Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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More than a mental health crisis or go outside more, the biggest harm that social+smartphone has ever done is end of creating things . The new generation is spending huge amount of time in consumption and very little in creation. This is going to be a boon for the producers (book writers, movie makers etc) who will be in short supply for much larger consumption crowd. This will eventually be reflected in massive weal…

> The new generation is spending huge amount of time in consumption and very little in creation.

I think that's true for the current generation, so many adults I know don't appear to have any hobbies (creative or otherwise) whatsoever and spend every second of their free time consuming and not creating, not even consuming good content but crappy reality shows. I do more than most people I know (less than I'd like and mostly coding stuff) but I still come up way short of my perception of my fathers generation, of an evening I could generally find them hacking away at something out in the shed.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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Smartphones and social media have begun to represent this weird post-modern phenomena of the destruction of social relationships. So few social experiences happen through a non-cybernetic medium now. The average number of interactions a person has online now must be higher than those offline. Platforms like Facebook or Twitter don't connect us with more people, they detach us from more people and connect us to their…

On the other hand.....surely there is some value to being able to communicate instantly with people from vastly different geographies and backgrounds? Like, I'm talking daily to two guys from about 4000km away, and I don't even know what they look like - we just help each other on a gamedev group. If I have an issue with my car I can go to a dedicated group for that model on FB and ask literally hundreds of owners a question - when my dad had an issue with his soviet-made MZ motorcycle the best he could do was just take the thing apart and hope for the best.

Like, when I'm away "on my phone" I frequently actually talk to someone - there is human interaction in there.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess it depends a lot on the question whether you call a short message about your neighbor's hairstyle or a photo of the food you are currently eating as "creation".

Sounds like modern art without the pretension to me.

I personally wouldn’t set the bar for useful creation at modern art.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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post #31

Smartphones and social media have begun to represent this weird post-modern phenomena of the destruction of social relationships. So few social experiences happen through a non-cybernetic medium now. The average number of interactions a person has online now must be higher than those offline. Platforms like Facebook or Twitter don't connect us with more people, they detach us from more people and connect us to their…

I don't think that's smartphones themselves. It's just social media.

Social media and mobile are as tightly linked as highways and cars.

Instagram, Twitter and all messengers are inherently mobile, not just in their design but at their core. Their pattern derive from mobile usage, as opposed to desktop patterns.

Twitter is clearly a byproduct of phones: same length as SMS, even worked through SMS at the start (when smartphones were mostly a cool concept or weird devices). There are tons of sources linking social media and smartphones, see for example https://marketingland.com/facebook-usage-accounts-1-5-minute...

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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post #40

It is sad to see what is happening to people. Just take public transport and you will see so many people scrolling social networks and consuming useless content.

When I was young they read newspapers, books and magazines.

Nobody made eye contact, let alone talked, unless they were crazy, looking to make trouble, or both.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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This article/researcher makes claims that: a) there is a mental health crisis among teenagers which is not parallel to other comparable generations, and b) that crisis is linked to mobile phones.

I'm not convinced by either claim.

In my experience of working with teenagers over the last couple of decades, there is a general trend that they are now better at communicating their emotional needs and emotional state. If teens are more able to clearly and openly express the fact that they are sad, does that mean they are more sad? I think not.

Teenagers face far greater economic insecurity than before, and are more acutely aware of it. What will the workforce look like when they graduate highschool? Jobs that teenagers would have been invited to do are being replaced with automated checkouts and computer vision algorithms. Teenagers are required to go into more debt than ever, to escape this lack of opportunities via education.

The article identifies that today's teenagers: get in less car accidents, have less risky sex, have a lower rate of teenage pregnancy, ingest less risky substances, are generally less violent - and presents this all as bad because it is different than what came before. Is it bad? Would people 20 years ago have thought this was bad?

The author expresses great surprise that people sleep with their phones beside their bed - whereas, it is a great surprise to me that she doesn't. It has an extremely useful function as an alarm clock.

I suspect that she would find that a vast majority of her generation of 47-year olds also sleeps with their phone within an arm's reach.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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post #40

It is sad to see what is happening to people. Just take public transport and you will see so many people scrolling social networks and consuming useless content.

This is such an "old man yells at cloud" attitude.

The alternative is, what? Striking up conversation with fellow passengers who definitely don't want to talk to me? Staring mindlessly out the window? Consuming useless content via newspaper instead?

I just don't understand this position.

Re: Have Smartphones Destroyed a Generation? (2017)

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post #7

More than a mental health crisis or go outside more, the biggest harm that social+smartphone has ever done is end of creating things . The new generation is spending huge amount of time in consumption and very little in creation. This is going to be a boon for the producers (book writers, movie makers etc) who will be in short supply for much larger consumption crowd. This will eventually be reflected in massive weal…

Do you have a source for that? Young people have way more access to creation tools than ever before. Blogs (writing), memes (photo editing), vlogs (film creation), Instagram (photography)... Not to mention YouTube is the most incredible source of tutorials on just about every topic imaginable. The internet and smartphones have made all these cheaper/freer than ever before. Anyone with a creative itch has a ton of ave…

There's more creation but virtually all of it is ADHD-driven - shallow quick-hit micro-entertainment designed to drive analytics.

And a lot of it is interchangeable and repetitive - like all those Instagram photos taken in the same popular locations with the same few stock poses.

The same thing applies to music (generic watered-down techno with bass-drum-under-samples and maybe a bit of synth), visual art (digital paintings of pretty anime-influenced girls, lone heroic fantasy figures dwarfed by an impossibly huge menacing monster, relatively trivial generative code animations), and short movies (generic sci-fi settings and tropes, generic scripts, pro-quality CGI.)

Unusual talent, deep mastery of a medium with some awareness of its history, non-trivial content, and an original voice are very rare.

It's not that it's all terrible, but there's far more superficial trope mimicry than powerfully resonant original creative work.

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