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Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#41
I hate to sound cynical but the reason it seems like everyone knows someone who's gone to Iceland in the past 5 years is because the government has been heavily subsidizing flights and hotels to this exact end. There really was no other outcome :(

Also the government only needs to levy a 1000 USD fine on a few people in order to stop a lot of this because the American press will seize on it immediately.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#42
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At first they were just shitting up the Web - now it's the real world too :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

This isn't even remotely comparable to the tragedy of nature being so carelessly trashed.

I think it's an analogy, not a comparison. "Eternal September" being a time when there is a ceaseless influx of those who are unaware / uncaring of the rules.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#44

This quote from the article baffles me: > The good instagrammers try to show different ways of enjoying nature. We don't tag places that are off the beaten path that we want to protect as long as possible. Some places have become "insta-famous" without ever mentioning where they are but eventually they become known to everyone. Wait, what? So you take a picture. Put it on instagram (because you are an 'instagrammer')…

> Let's hope the future learns people that most of these instagram shots are basically digital waste.

That's very condescending of you. Lots of people like having real visual memories of places they've been.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#46

“The relatively new trouble with mass society is perhaps even more serious, but not because of the masses themselves, but because this society is essentially a consumers’ society where leisure time is used no longer for self-perfection or acquisition of more social status, but for more and more consumption and more and more entertainment… To believe that such a society will become more “cultured” as time goes on and…

I find that the root issue is individualism. There are immaculately clean cities in east asia whos parent societies would definitely qualify as highly "consumerist." It's not consumption that's the problem but the parameters within which that consumption is allowed to proceed. As well, in individualist societies we seem far more comfortable to discard our trash wherever and just forget about it. A more collectivist attitude appears, from my experience, to get people to be more thoughtful.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#47

Easy: Hand every tourist a brochure about the Do's and Dont's. Aka, like Singapore prints warnings (DEATH TO DRUG TRAFFICKERS) on their landing cards. If laws and rules are disrespected fine the sweet bejeezus out of those assholes (like in the thousands of $ range) and ban them from the country (or ideally, from the Schengen room) for 5 to 10 years. The problem will solve itself in short time.

Love the idea. One improvement: let's make this an international effort and ban them from travel to any other participating country as well.

That escalated quickly. In law there is a principle of proportionality [0]. It's the reason why jaywalking isn't punished by 60 days in prison or by getting sent back to your country and banned from ever travelling to any country that has pedestrian crossings. Also laws should apply equally to everybody. How would such a law apply to locals? Withdraw citizenship?

I think hitting them with fines or paying damages is a different matter and might just be enough. Banning someone from half a continent is certainly a knee jerk reaction.

Impossible punishments also have some side effects. Even law abiding tourists start avoiding the country completely if they know a mistake lands them on the ban list for half a continent. And perhaps worse, if one makes a mistake they no longer have anything to lose by doing it again until they leave the country, they're facing the ban anyway. See the 3-strikes law [1] where the third strike is almost always murder because by then the culprit knows they'll do life anyway. The deterrent is gone.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportionality_(law)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-strikes_law

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

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post #35

This quote from the article baffles me: > The good instagrammers try to show different ways of enjoying nature. We don't tag places that are off the beaten path that we want to protect as long as possible. Some places have become "insta-famous" without ever mentioning where they are but eventually they become known to everyone. Wait, what? So you take a picture. Put it on instagram (because you are an 'instagrammer')…

When an instagrammer dies, where go all the likes and the pictures? At least, with paper-printed photos, you have|had material stuff to inherit with some context and history.

> When an instagrammer dies, where go all the likes and the pictures?

The Internet Archive, of course.

Re: Iceland tire of tourists trashing their nature

#50

This quote from the article baffles me: > The good instagrammers try to show different ways of enjoying nature. We don't tag places that are off the beaten path that we want to protect as long as possible. Some places have become "insta-famous" without ever mentioning where they are but eventually they become known to everyone. Wait, what? So you take a picture. Put it on instagram (because you are an 'instagrammer')…

Hot tip: enjoy the moment, then find a similar scene on google images and share that if you need to. No one ever knows or cares the difference.
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