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Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by jasonrhaas » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

binarymax wrote: post #26

I'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?

I'm in the same boat. I have it frozen to use as regular keys. So basically I have the same functionality as a regular keyboard, with the caveat that sometimes the keys don't work, and there is no haptic feedback.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by 87zuhjkas » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

asdkhadsj wrote: post #32

spiderfarmer wrote: post #9

It will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more. And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I…

I'm actually switching back to Linux. Partially because of the issues you cite, I too love my 2015 MBP - where as I don't use my bigger 2017 MBP as a laptop (it's basically a desktop for me). The bigger issue for me though is price. I love my 2015 not only because the keyboard is great, but because the price was good (it's a cheaper model) . I can take it outside and not fear losing $2k-$4k. My bigger MBP is just ove…

How about used ones from eBay?

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by argd678 » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:47 PM UTC

binarymax wrote: post #26

I'd be curious to know if Apple collects telemetry on touchbar usage. I don't use it. At all. I have it frozen to only show the equivalent physical keys that used to be there (esc and the fn keys). Does anyone use the touchbar effectively and like it? What are the chances of Apple ditching it on some models?

I do the same thing and would also really love to know who thinks it’s in any way good.

I hit it all the time by accident and suddenly in the middle of typing iTunes pops up, or an IntelleJ config window, vi sort of works but amazingly the escape touch key isn’t always sensitive enough and I have to double tap it.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by spiderfarmer » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:49 PM UTC

asdkhadsj wrote: post #32

spiderfarmer wrote: post #9

It will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more. And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I…

I'm actually switching back to Linux. Partially because of the issues you cite, I too love my 2015 MBP - where as I don't use my bigger 2017 MBP as a laptop (it's basically a desktop for me). The bigger issue for me though is price. I love my 2015 not only because the keyboard is great, but because the price was good (it's a cheaper model) . I can take it outside and not fear losing $2k-$4k. My bigger MBP is just ove…

> I want cheap and powerful.. and it just seems impossible to do that with Apple.

My job relies on this laptop. I don't care if it's expensive, I want to buy reliability.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by mLuby » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

spiderfarmer wrote: post #9

It will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more. And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I…

People are asking for Face ID on laptops?! I have an EFF sticker over my 2015 MBPR's webcam thank you very much…

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by bitL » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

Someone1234 wrote: post #24

1_player wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm perfectly fine with it having a touchbar, if only there was a physical ESC button.

Real escape and full row of real F- keys. Just push the Touchbar above it, so we can power it down and ignore it (or run cute screensavers on it while plugged in). The whole concept makes no sense. "Don't look at the computer's screen when you work, look down at your keyboard instead!" It is like an anti-touch typing gimmick, the tagline should be "become a worse typelist today!"

If you want to stay sane with touch bar, buy one of those keyboard covers for non-touchbar models with ESC/Fn keys, pad the Fn keys with some pieces of rubber. Then you can have have some poor man's tactile feedback. The very latest keyboard is improvement both in sound and feel, latest CPUs are very fast, just the touchbar kills the overall impression.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by ses1984 » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:54 PM UTC

seanalltogether wrote: post #34

geophile wrote: post #2

To be at all interesting, this would have to have a good keyboard (as in the 2015 MBP), and an optional touchbar.

I would like to have my "pro" ports back, standard usb3 alongside usbc, magnetic power plug, possibly an hdmi port. I've used the hdmi countless times over the years in unexpected situations but I guess carrying an adapter around would be ok.

Those features are never coming back, but you can dream.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by n1000 » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

Will this be the first MacBook that will be thicker than its previous gen? I am hoping Apple has realised that they are at the limit of what the current MacBook Pro can do in terms of thermals. I want a laptop that doesn't have its fans spinning non-stop only because I use an external screen or Firefox instead of Safari.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by dep_b » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

It would be nice if Apple would move to @3x for this Retina screen, making it a tad above 4K. Yes I would pay the Apple tax for that. Also interested in what they're going to do with the 13" one. If it gets a smaller bezel screen will it get more screen or will they shrink the machine a bit further?

I'm not going to hope for changes in the keyboard or ports or the Touch Bar. So far I like the keyboard on the 2018 anyway, but connecting a camera was a bit of a hassle.

Re: 16-Inch MacBook Pro Said to Launch in September

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Post by cgriswald » Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 3:01 PM UTC

asdkhadsj wrote: post #32

spiderfarmer wrote: post #9

It will hopefully contain a lot of features people asked for like a better keyboard, Face ID, more connectivity, etc. And just like the Mac Pro the starting price will probably be enormous, I wouldn't be surprised if the base model is $2.5K or more. And I wouldn't have problem with that at all. My 2015 Macbook Pro has been worth every penny. I used it every day and it's still going strong. Before I bought this MBP I…

I'm actually switching back to Linux. Partially because of the issues you cite, I too love my 2015 MBP - where as I don't use my bigger 2017 MBP as a laptop (it's basically a desktop for me). The bigger issue for me though is price. I love my 2015 not only because the keyboard is great, but because the price was good (it's a cheaper model) . I can take it outside and not fear losing $2k-$4k. My bigger MBP is just ove…

I'm switching to Linux as well. It's that "just works" has become "it doesn't work anymore, and we don't sell anything you want." I'd happily give them money, but they don't seem to care about what I want as a customer.

I'm typing this on a mid-2010 iMac with Linux installed because it's no longer supported by Mac OS. My 2012 MBP died earlier this year. I replaced it with a Dell XPS 15 running Linux. I don't like it as much as my MBP, but I don't hate it like the current Apple offerings.

I don't mind paying for power. I've got a ridiculously overpowered "cheese grater" Mac Pro. But the OS is dated, and I can't replace it without a total wipe and reinstall because I used a RAID. After being left in the lurch on the (admittedly dated, but perfectly functional) iMac, not knowing if I'll ever like another MBP offering, and having to wipe the system anyway, I'm not sure I'm not just going to put linux on that as well.

I might even switch over to Android for my phone. While setting up a VPN, I had a very difficult time, because even though all Apple's configurator does is create XML profiles, I couldn't run it because none of my hardware had a recent enough version of Mac OS on it. It seems totally arbitrary; especially since I can duplicate the profile by hand, email it to myself, and install it on the phone.