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Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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>If you're caught later with it missing you will most likely disappear. That could well be true in North Korea, but Chinese really isn’t like that. They have a very active tech industry so installing and experimenting with Linux distros and such that might not have monitoring software is fine. As long as you don’t do something openly suspect, like post something considered anti government, they just leave people alon…

That comment refers to JingWang not the OS. If you were an individual forced to install it you are added to a registry. If you live in a particular city, it is mandatory. If you are part of a particular minority, it is mandatory. Refusing to install it or prove its installation if your national identity is in the registry is a crime and you wil be arrested. Beijing is not Kashgar. Many Chinese will experience relativ…

This article and thread is about pre-installed Linux on some recently announced laptops. Could you please stop trying to politicize everything in every possible way?

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. They offer ISO-images for these updates too. You can also create a USB-bootable version from these using the geteltorito tool (which is available via apt). https://workaround.org/article/updating-the-bios-on-lenovo-l... Edit: > OK, so all these problems are all due to my specific situation (running dual boot Why are you using GRUB to dual-boo…

I've done that in the past but apparently now there's even native support for updates from Linux:

https://fwupd.org/lvfs/devicelist

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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China has used its own FreeBSD (kylin) and then ubuntu-based (neokylin) since 2001. Nearly half of all laptops are sold with it. Likewise, North Korea has Red Star since 2008 which is mandatory or risk forced labor. While kylin isn't too far off from a traditional distro, officers will force you to install rootkits on both desktop/laptops and phones (JingWang). If you're caught later with it missing you will most lik…

It has always amazed me that North Korea is able to create an OS like Red Star. I assume it takes a lot of knowledge and skill to stitch together such an OS, with fairly "unique" spying features not really seen in other distros. Considering the limited access to the internet and not being able to ask StackOverflow users, how can they even manage building such a complex piece of software?

North Korean army has a pretty advanced cyber warfare division fully capable of doing that sort of thing.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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It seems that Lenovo has been certifying their model for Ubuntu (probably for enterprise customers) for a quite a long time. There are a bit less models recently, but a few already have an Ubuntu 18.04 certification:

https://certification.ubuntu.com/desktop/models/?query=&cate...

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only.

I run Fedora on a T480s and BIOS updates come automatically through the software update channel (in fact, the frequency of BIOS updates is a little annoying).

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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Lenovo caught for unremovable crapware in BIOS, so I don't recommend to buy their products anymore. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/12/lenovo_firmware_nas...

Your second link is about someone who flashed their own copy of Windows 3.1 into the boot ROM of their own ThinkPad X200. Lenovo didn't put Windows 3.1 there, that user did. Your first link is about Lenovo's IdeaPad line. IdeaPad and ThinkPad could well be thought of as products from two different companies. Lenovo was already making laptops when they bought the ThinkPad line from IBM. Their own laptops evolved into…

> They're both part of Lenovo, but are largely separate teams with different business goals and philosophies.

Sounds like marketing fairy tale - one part of company is great, second is bad, but we should love both.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

> You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. I run Fedora on a T480s and BIOS updates come automatically through the software update channel (in fact, the frequency of BIOS updates is a little annoying).

Same for me on a Dell XPS 15. Strange that it wouldn't work on another flagship model such as the X1.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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That comment refers to JingWang not the OS. If you were an individual forced to install it you are added to a registry. If you live in a particular city, it is mandatory. If you are part of a particular minority, it is mandatory. Refusing to install it or prove its installation if your national identity is in the registry is a crime and you wil be arrested. Beijing is not Kashgar. Many Chinese will experience relativ…

This article and thread is about pre-installed Linux on some recently announced laptops. Could you please stop trying to politicize everything in every possible way?

Much as I also grow tired of the constant shoehorning of China into every single conversation here, in this instance Lenovo is a Chinese company so it's at least somewhat relevant.

Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad

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I own an 4K X1-extreme, which is basically the P1 without the Quadro card and Xeon/ECC option. I run Ubuntu 19.04 on it and have so many problems. - Grub has ridiculous performance issues on 4K screens, it renders at less than 1 fps, making it a real pain to do anything in it. - You can't update the bios through Linux, the update tool is windows only. - The Lenovo TB3 dock never works properly. - The dual GPU situati…

I own an t490, also with ubuntu 19.04+gnome + dual boot.

I consider my problems are more basic than yours, and more hardware related.

- Under linux, the power management is VERY bad. I'm honestly starteled how it can be so bad. I loose 10-13% overnight while in 'deep sleep', compared to only 3% with 7.5 yo MBA. I get 5-6.5 hours of battery life. Less than the 2011 MBA. With windows it it much better - almost on par with my MBA.

- Trackpad has a big deadzone on the left+right + bad palm recognition.

- The display is very slow. More so on windows than on linux for some reason.

- Installing software is way too difficult compared to how it should be. Some software you install from the store, some from the command line, some offer AppImage. Sometimes the store has old versions that no longer works, things are not available for ubuntu 18.04/19.04, or you have to manually created a link such that the software is available in the desktop launcher.

I hope Apple finally fixes the Keyboard+durability issues with their next MBP iteration. Personally, I came to think that the 500$ Apple tax is worth it compared to all the (software) convenience + (hardware) quality that they offer.

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