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Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by jamil7 »

hutzlibu wrote: post #20
tunnuz wrote: post #3

With more and more people switching to vegetarian and vegan fake meats, I'd be interested in understanding what is the wisdom on highly processed vegetable-based foods.

Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good. I just really believe, that for the most part my body knows the best whats good for him. I just have to really pay attention. So sugar might taste good, but my body does not feel good, when eating too much of it. Meat is good, but on…

> Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good.

I already addressed the first part in another comment in this thread. I wanted to point out that the "protein" argument is dated and uninformed. Protein is everywhere, grains, nuts, seeds and vegetables. It does not need to be "extracted" through some external process, it occurs naturally and can be used by your body. Also no one "struggled" with this, huge populations of the planet have been getting protein from plants for a long time before modern fake meat.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by jsjolen »

lm28469 wrote: post #31
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #2

Regarding processed meat, what part of the processing makes the meat unhealthy? Or is it something related to how processed meat is often consumed vs unprocessed meat?

It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the sam…

I don't believe that this matters. Why would it? Offal has great nutritional value. The inuit did perfectly well on an all-meat diet. The issue is more likely curing with nitrites and smoking.

>It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice

Another thing that doesn't matter. What exactly do you think magically happens when you put an orange into a blender and mix with a bit of water that would make it lose its nutritional value?

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by ssijak »

coldtea wrote: post #28
paulluuk wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also cause way less suffering in the world, which is something I believe is very much worth striving for.

Animals eating other animals is natural evolutionary behavior. If carnivore animals had the same concerns and turned to tofu, they'd be dead. Let's concentrate of the suffering of our fellow human beings...

Eating animals (some of which can`t reproduce naturaly anymore) raised in CAFOS, fed unnatural foods and pumped with hormones and antibiotics is all but natural evolutionary behavior and hurts both animals and humans.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by Toine »

hartator wrote: post #6

I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

Wow, where did you hear that kind of advices ?

Everywhere I look, I see meat, especially red meat, being demonized, and increasing inflammation.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by thinkingemote »

jsjolen wrote: post #42
lm28469 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the sam…

I don't believe that this matters. Why would it? Offal has great nutritional value. The inuit did perfectly well on an all-meat diet. The issue is more likely curing with nitrites and smoking. >It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice Another thing that doesn't matter. What exactly do you think magically happens when you put an orange into a blender and mix with a bit of water that would make it lose its nutritio…

Regarding fruit juice Vs fruit I remember hearing about the cell walls and sugar and how in making the juice it destroyed the cells releasing sugar or something.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by [deleted] »

jamil7 wrote: post #41
hutzlibu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good. I just really believe, that for the most part my body knows the best whats good for him. I just have to really pay attention. So sugar might taste good, but my body does not feel good, when eating too much of it. Meat is good, but on…

> Probably none, most want to hear about, if there is something to it. They struggled hard to replace their meat with soy and extracted proteins and yeast from wherever .. it must be good. I already addressed the first part in another comment in this thread. I wanted to point out that the "protein" argument is dated and uninformed. Protein is everywhere, grains, nuts, seeds and vegetables. It does not need to be "ext…

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Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by ShlomoS »

cageface wrote: post #40
hartator wrote: post #6

I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

Animal protein is highly inflammatory. This is about the worst thing you can do if you are concerned about inflammation. Load up on fresh vegetables and fruits instead.

>Animal protein is highly inflammatory

What is the basis for this belief?

>Load up on fresh vegetables and fruits instead.

Many fresh vegetables are inflammatory. Plants evolved chemicals to hinder herbation. Roots/tubers and fruit are generally fine, but leaves/stems/flowers are generally full of inflammatory anti-nutrients and should be cooked.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by layoutIfNeeded »

lm28469 wrote: post #31
albertgoeswoof wrote: post #2

Regarding processed meat, what part of the processing makes the meat unhealthy? Or is it something related to how processed meat is often consumed vs unprocessed meat?

It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the sam…

>A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal.

All of these are healthy.

They might sound "disgusting" for modern consumers accustomed to 100% white meat, but none of them are harmful. In fact, bone marrow, skin, and organ meat contain many micronutrients that are less abundant in regular white meat, including vitamin A, B12 and collagen.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

#49

Post by ssijak »

jsjolen wrote: post #42
lm28469 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all the additional steps and products added. A lot of processed meat are juste a slime of bones, skin, organs, ligaments whatever was left on the carcass of the animal. On top of that it comes from low quality (cheap) animals in the first place which doesn't help. It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice, or eating raw veggies vs a broth. The original material is the same but it doesn't mean it holds the sam…

I don't believe that this matters. Why would it? Offal has great nutritional value. The inuit did perfectly well on an all-meat diet. The issue is more likely curing with nitrites and smoking. >It's like eating a fruit vs drinking a juice Another thing that doesn't matter. What exactly do you think magically happens when you put an orange into a blender and mix with a bit of water that would make it lose its nutritio…

Inuit did not did well on an all meat died (btw, they also ate seaweed). Their life expectancy was much lower and they had higher instances of cardiac events. They did survive, that is true, and humans can survive on very different diets, but they did not trive.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Post by matthewmacleod »

me_me_me wrote: post #35
afpx wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Processing foods is what likely helped Homo to get enough energy to evolve big brains. So, processing foods isn’t all that bad, and it may even be hard-wired in many of us. But, Humans tend to take things too far, and inventing new ways of processing is really fun! So, most food today is over-processed. It’s acceptable to grind, dice, tear, smash, smush, squeeze, ferment, spice, salt, and cook veggies, lightly. Any m…

I think that is slight miss-use of term processed food. Process food (at least to me) is anything that has been artificially adjusted by factory processing, like injecting meat with some solutions in order to 'make' more meat. I would hardly qualified lets say smoked bacon as processed food in that sense. But all of those microwave ready meals et al. large content of it is cheap filler masqueraded as actual product.

It is not a mis-use. Bacon is absolutely a processed meat.

“Microwave ready meals” are typically just pre-cooked meals prepared for reheating - they’re probably not the best meals in terms of ingredient quality or cooking methods, and low-quality ones might have some plant starches as filler, but most of them are pretty straightforward.

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