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iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by m463 »

toufka wrote: post #2

Fantastic. It is the asymmetry in information collection that is so frustrating as a consumer. In an ideal marketplace, information flows freely, and informed choices make the market move towards efficient transactions. When no consumers know what information is being collected or how it’s used, and it’s value is obfuscated, then deep rifts in expectations can emerge. We need more of this sunlight in order to make go…

With trust, trade is unlimited.

That said, we should be able to say NO - and this includes apple. For instance, why should we have to identify ourselves to apple?

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by techslave »

saagarjha wrote: post #39
dpkonofa wrote: post #16

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

Not being able to repair your device is anti-consumer–in a vacuum. In the real world, there are trade offs: making devices repairable makes them thicker, more complicated, etc. Those that understand this and feel that Apple is compromising in the wrong direction have a reasonable opinion. However, there is quite a bit of misrepresentation as you mention: often “right to repair” people forget that this compromise exis…

there’s quite a bit of proper criticism also. parts and schematics should be available for DIY or 3rd party repair. it’s not all “apple is misunderstood “ as you are framing it.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by ikeyany »

Twisell wrote: post #38
ikeyany wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple. For example, the iPhone has never had replaceable batteries. Also, they were proven to slow down old phones without telling users why, until it became an ordeal [1]. [1] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

I think that telling you that my 2002 PPC iBook actually had remplaçables batteries, as well as all Apple laptop of that era, is pretty much proving misrepresentation... They were very practical (especially when video playback autonomy was limited to 2h and word processing to around 5h) but clunky. We could discuss for ages if, now a common choice across multiple manufacturers, moving for internal non-moving battery…

I should clarify, I was referring to iPhones. Edited.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by askafriend »

ikeyany wrote: post #23
dpkonofa wrote: post #16

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple. For example, the iPhone has never had replaceable batteries. Also, they were proven to slow down old phones without telling users why, until it became an ordeal [1]. [1] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

Please don't spread misinformation. It causes real damage.

Your statement is verifiable misinformation.

I am a customer who was actually experiencing unexpected shutdowns due to voltage spikes on a naturally degraded Li-Ion battery on my iPhone 6s. This is something that happens to all Li-Ion batteries. I had experienced this on my previous Android phones too when they got old.

The change Apple made was throttling the voltage from spiking to a point that it can shut down a degraded battery when your phone estimates that it has 50% charge left. Yes, this means older phones with degraded battery health (due to normal wear/tear) would run a bit slower. This is the right thing to do because otherwise it means customers would have phones shutting down unexpectedly when they needed them the most (e.g. calling an Uber, or some other critical function). It's a serious issue that absolutely needed addressing, and I'm glad Apple addressed it (and I hope other manufacturers do too).

The mistake Apple made was not communicating this change more widely or explaining in more detail from the start. But they did communicate it in the change notes of the original update they delivered. They weren't trying to intentionally hide it like you're trying to imply.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by ikeyany »

saagarjha wrote: post #36
ikeyany wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like they didn't. Slashdot did a story on it [1] that was disproven later [2]. [1] - https://slashdot.org/story/347559 [2] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

Yeah, no. That source is a complete misrepresentation: Apple didn’t intentionally slow down devices so you could buy a new one: they throttled devices with weak batteries so they wouldn’t shut down randomly. The issue was that Apple communicated this to users somewhat poorly.

I found a source that came out afterwards and made the appropriate edit. I am surprised slashdot did not provide a redaction in the original link.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by _8j50 »

saagarjha wrote: post #39
dpkonofa wrote: post #16

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

Not being able to repair your device is anti-consumer–in a vacuum. In the real world, there are trade offs: making devices repairable makes them thicker, more complicated, etc. Those that understand this and feel that Apple is compromising in the wrong direction have a reasonable opinion. However, there is quite a bit of misrepresentation as you mention: often “right to repair” people forget that this compromise exis…

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Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by ikeyany »

askafriend wrote: post #44
ikeyany wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've heard plenty of arguments that don't misrepresent Apple. For example, the iPhone has never had replaceable batteries. Also, they were proven to slow down old phones without telling users why, until it became an ordeal [1]. [1] - https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/10/26/the-new-iphone-come...

Please don't spread misinformation. It causes real damage. Your statement is verifiable misinformation. I am a customer who was actually experiencing unexpected shutdowns due to voltage spikes on a naturally degraded Li-Ion battery on my iPhone 6s. This is something that happens to all Li-Ion batteries . I had experienced this on my previous Android phones too when they got old. The change Apple made was throttling t…

I made the appropriate edit in my original comment.

edit - Apple did not communicate this information to users from the start...that is not misinformation. When I replied to your comment, your comment originally consisted of just your first sentence.

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by addicted »

dpkonofa wrote: post #16

I really don't understand how people can simultaneously say that Apple is anti-consumer and then ignore moves like this that not only show that Apple is committed to consumers. It would be so easy for them to gather all this info and sell it to advertisers and third-parties and yet they refuse to. On top of that, I think it's strangely telling that most of the anti-Apple stories when it comes to the "right to repair"…

It’s not unimaginable that Apple could be pro consumer in terms of privacy (at least relative to their competitors) and anti-consumer in terms of repairability and replacability (relative to their competitors).

Re: iOS 13 now shows you a map of where apps have been tracking you

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Post by dpkonofa »

techslave wrote: post #42
saagarjha wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being able to repair your device is anti-consumer–in a vacuum. In the real world, there are trade offs: making devices repairable makes them thicker, more complicated, etc. Those that understand this and feel that Apple is compromising in the wrong direction have a reasonable opinion. However, there is quite a bit of misrepresentation as you mention: often “right to repair” people forget that this compromise exis…

there’s quite a bit of proper criticism also. parts and schematics should be available for DIY or 3rd party repair. it’s not all “apple is misunderstood “ as you are framing it.

Why should they be available for 3rd party repair? If ifixit wants to do a teardown of the devices and document them then that's fine. I think it's completely reasonable for Apple to require a certification in order to get manuals, parts, and schematics. When something like a cheap, third-party screen replacement inevitably ends in an "iPhones suck, mine misses my taps and shuts off randomly", it's Apple that looks bad, not the 3rd party kiosk that uses shit components.
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