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Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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Look at it this way: if the percentage income spent on food dropped from 60% to, say 20%, that would effectively double their remaining income! I don't see how that could not affect a local economy, regardless of the absolute scale.

I think the point is that actually doubling income is a better way to increase income than trying to optimize the price of one product. What we do know is that food is already very cheap in Africa. It's not obvious that food could get much cheaper, let alone the 300% price reduction that you give in your example. On the other hand, we do know there are huge gains to be had when it comes to increasing income and econo…

This is literally creating local jobs. A job equals more income than no job. So this is raising incomes. In addition, there's less capital leaving the country buying foreign produce. So the money that would be spent anyway creates a local job, and in return is again spent locally by a Ghanaian farmer, instead of spent in Europe by a Dutch farmer. This is literally a win all around. An economy is a system, you can't just one day create amazing jobs without an entire support system around them.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #30

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From your linked article, the reason people spend a greater percentage of their incomes on food is not because of the cost of food, but that their incomes are much lower: > The figures do not mean that food is more expensive in Nigeria than in the US. In fact, quite the reverse. The average American spends $2,392 per year on food, the average Nigerian half that: $1,132. The average Kenyan spends just $543 a year on f…

Where do you get this number, $2,392 per year? I can tell you that for me, it's way more than that.

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Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at it this way: if the percentage income spent on food dropped from 60% to, say 20%, that would effectively double their remaining income! I don't see how that could not affect a local economy, regardless of the absolute scale.

I think the point is that actually doubling income is a better way to increase income than trying to optimize the price of one product. What we do know is that food is already very cheap in Africa. It's not obvious that food could get much cheaper, let alone the 300% price reduction that you give in your example. On the other hand, we do know there are huge gains to be had when it comes to increasing income and econo…

If they're importing a large amount of their food from Europe as the article states they very well can lower the cost by producing it locally. Even if they're less efficient than the Europeans in doing so.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #18

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This is both off topic and a flamewar topic, which the site guidelines ask people not to introduce. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html To give this article a fairer chance at having its actual content discussed, I'm going to collapse this subthread.

How is a simple question and reference to an event a flame war?

Because of the associations to pre-existing intense controversy. Those act like magnets pulling discussion in their direction, away from the topic at hand.

On HN, we're trying to open up a space to discuss new things, unexpected things, curious things. Those exert a weaker force on attention than the sensationalized hot topics that already exist in people's minds. When comments hop from a new topic to an intense pre-existing topic, that creates a path to flamewar hell. It's moderation's job to restrain and undo that, so that the more curious, weaker topic can get attention again. Does that answer your question?

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is both off topic and a flamewar topic, which the site guidelines ask people not to introduce. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html To give this article a fairer chance at having its actual content discussed, I'm going to collapse this subthread.

I see you’re still censoring to shape the narrative and silence wrongthink discussions. Have you considered you’re not in the right, when both Congress and the Whitehouse have investigated social media censorship?

It's not about silencing wrongthing so much as allowing other topics not to get drowned out by the ragey usual. Snail farming in Ghana is surely not as important as murder in South Africa, but what attracts curiosity more? That's the core question here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

In the unlikely event that Congress or the Whitehouse take an interest in HN moderation, I'll be happy to share with them how we approach this.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your linked article, the reason people spend a greater percentage of their incomes on food is not because of the cost of food, but that their incomes are much lower: > The figures do not mean that food is more expensive in Nigeria than in the US. In fact, quite the reverse. The average American spends $2,392 per year on food, the average Nigerian half that: $1,132. The average Kenyan spends just $543 a year on f…

Where do you get this number, $2,392 per year? I can tell you that for me, it's way more than that.

The BLS reports an annual expenditure of $7,729/year per "consumer unit", and an average of 2.5 persons per consumer unit, so about $3,100/person/year in 2017. That number is probably a few years old.

I do wonder if this accounts for SNAP and other food expenses not directly paid with cash income.

https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/consumer-expenditures/2017/...

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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One thing that shocked me is they breeding "giant rats" (Cricetomys gambianus). These are known vectors of monkeypox. Also, snails usually carry very harmful parasites to both humans and plants.

But snails are really delicious, also for EU.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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post #22

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The article doesn't really seem to back that up. Lots of the people pushing that theory are definitely alt-right types, but when the article doesn't present any facts to contradict them it doesn't make it seem like they're actually wrong. For some "conspiracy theories" it can be impossible to prove someone wrong, but there should be some pretty straightforward statistics to help figure out if this is bogus or not. FW…

> but there should be some pretty straightforward statistics to help figure out if this is bogus or not. Sometimes they're not: https://www.thelocal.se/20180508/why-sweden-doesnt-keep-stat...

Thanks for that, quite an interesting read.

Re: Millennials ‘Make Farming Sexy’ in Africa, Where Tilling Soil Once Meant Shame

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To add more information to the article. I have been slowly trying to build up a hydroponics shaded structure. I have to finance this myself so this will take a few years. There a few reasons I am doing this. I want an alternative to an office job. Sometimes just sitting in front of a computer drains the soul. I don't trust the financial systems in my home country and have my doubts if my pension will support me later in life. I do think there is a profit to be made. A fare amount of food is imported.

The weird thing is that small scale farming will only be viable as long as Africa is not attractive to big farmers. The moment big farmers can get going I think it will be the end of small scale farming.

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