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Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by roneil »

michaelsbradley wrote: post #40
roneil wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably late summer / early Fall! Want to make sure the developer experience is high-quality at time of open-sourcing, but we're testing now / onboarding artists in a private beta.

Fair enough. Any thoughts on how your trustless relay setup compares to the Gas Station Network Alliance? https://blog.zeppelinos.org/gas-station-network-alliance/ https://github.com/tabookey/tabookey-gasless

Very similar from a meta-transaction standpoint, but ours is simple and centralized (albeit trustless due to the tx signing model). This is much cooler!

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by jonnydubowsky »

roneil wrote: post #19
michaelsbradley wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has there been any thought as to how the REST API + database side of this could be replaced with ipfs/swarm? I'm not sure how it would work, and there would likely be additional trade-offs, but it would be nice if the "D" in DApps could be retained in full.

There has! This could be a great approach - eg. a network of folks committed to supporting users in this manner could operate IPFS nodes that re-pin the encrypted keys. We are also thinking about offline ways to share the key such that the centralized side is not required - eg. a QR code displayed on one device and scanned by another to propagate the wallet. This creates a problem if a user loses all of their devices…

Awesome job! I love that you are addressing the UI/UX challenges of non technical users. Have you considered some type of integration with Keybase's social proofs and paper seed QR code for cross signing and revoking keys? I'm part of a research cohort hosting a month long series of workshops and hackathons on making emerging Web3 capabilities more accessible, at NYU ITP Camp in NYC in June. Perhaps we can play around with something. Will dive into the code for inspiration. Thanks for this great project!

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by roneil »

jonnydubowsky wrote: post #42
roneil wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has! This could be a great approach - eg. a network of folks committed to supporting users in this manner could operate IPFS nodes that re-pin the encrypted keys. We are also thinking about offline ways to share the key such that the centralized side is not required - eg. a QR code displayed on one device and scanned by another to propagate the wallet. This creates a problem if a user loses all of their devices…

Awesome job! I love that you are addressing the UI/UX challenges of non technical users. Have you considered some type of integration with Keybase's social proofs and paper seed QR code for cross signing and revoking keys? I'm part of a research cohort hosting a month long series of workshops and hackathons on making emerging Web3 capabilities more accessible, at NYU ITP Camp in NYC in June. Perhaps we can play aroun…

Yes - their work on key exchange is super cool https://keybase.io/docs/crypto/key-exchange

We did not want to require use of Keybase to use our dapp Audius, though I could see it making a lot of sense to offer a keybase integration as a potential option.

FWIW, Audius still supports Metamask too - web3 is all about giving users choice from our perspective.

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by vinliao »

roneil wrote: post #5

Hey all - I'm Roneil, one of the cofounders of Audius. We built Hedgehog to solve a specific pain point we faced - how can we get non crypto-native / non-technical users to sign up for a decentralized app? Current onboarding flows using Metamask and other alternatives were too cumbersome, time-consuming, and restrictive for our needs. We needed a way to generate a wallet on behalf of a user without them even knowing…

Hey Roneil, I'm really new to crypto development and I'm having a hard time finding crypto communities for developers (the one who builds stuff). I've checked out eth's forum but it's not really developer focused, it's too general.

Where do you usually hang out? I would like to learn more about building crypto stuff and would like to participate in a community. Can you point me in the right direction?

Thank you!

PS: I have completely no idea what Audius is about, but it sounds cool. Good luck!

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by solotronics »

vinliao wrote: post #44
roneil wrote: post #5

Hey all - I'm Roneil, one of the cofounders of Audius. We built Hedgehog to solve a specific pain point we faced - how can we get non crypto-native / non-technical users to sign up for a decentralized app? Current onboarding flows using Metamask and other alternatives were too cumbersome, time-consuming, and restrictive for our needs. We needed a way to generate a wallet on behalf of a user without them even knowing…

Hey Roneil, I'm really new to crypto development and I'm having a hard time finding crypto communities for developers (the one who builds stuff). I've checked out eth's forum but it's not really developer focused, it's too general. Where do you usually hang out? I would like to learn more about building crypto stuff and would like to participate in a community. Can you point me in the right direction? Thank you! PS:…

For lightning protocol devs there is a public slack they hang out in. You might want to look around for one for Eth.

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by miguelmota »

The hedgehog library is completely unsafe considering that any third party library or browser extension loaded in the website using the SDK can loop through localStorage to read the entropy value therefore recreating the hd wallet and stealing the user's account.

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by xrd »

miguelmota wrote: post #47

The hedgehog library is completely unsafe considering that any third party library or browser extension loaded in the website using the SDK can loop through localStorage to read the entropy value therefore recreating the hd wallet and stealing the user's account.

This.

This is why FinneyFor uses an iFrame to keep the private key safe in localStorage only accessible from JS running on the same domain. FinneyFor uses postMessage to communicate between the parent frame when payment is processed, so you get the benefits of creating transactions in any kind of browser, but none of the risks as the parent rightfully points out.

https://finneyfor.com/

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by roneil »

vinliao wrote: post #44
roneil wrote: post #5

Hey all - I'm Roneil, one of the cofounders of Audius. We built Hedgehog to solve a specific pain point we faced - how can we get non crypto-native / non-technical users to sign up for a decentralized app? Current onboarding flows using Metamask and other alternatives were too cumbersome, time-consuming, and restrictive for our needs. We needed a way to generate a wallet on behalf of a user without them even knowing…

Hey Roneil, I'm really new to crypto development and I'm having a hard time finding crypto communities for developers (the one who builds stuff). I've checked out eth's forum but it's not really developer focused, it's too general. Where do you usually hang out? I would like to learn more about building crypto stuff and would like to participate in a community. Can you point me in the right direction? Thank you! PS:…

Hi there! Unfortunately I haven't found any high-quality online communities of crypto builders - most of my connections to other folks building are offline / irl. Would encourage you to attend local developer groups to get to know others in the space!

There are tons of helpful resources online though, as lots of folks write tutorials and other things. Googling most problems you face will yield good results.

Re: Hedgehog Ethereum wallet: Build DApps like apps, without centralized keys

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Post by vinliao »

roneil wrote: post #49
vinliao wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Roneil, I'm really new to crypto development and I'm having a hard time finding crypto communities for developers (the one who builds stuff). I've checked out eth's forum but it's not really developer focused, it's too general. Where do you usually hang out? I would like to learn more about building crypto stuff and would like to participate in a community. Can you point me in the right direction? Thank you! PS:…

Hi there! Unfortunately I haven't found any high-quality online communities of crypto builders - most of my connections to other folks building are offline / irl. Would encourage you to attend local developer groups to get to know others in the space! There are tons of helpful resources online though, as lots of folks write tutorials and other things. Googling most problems you face will yield good results.

Oh wow that's really unfortunate. I met some crypto people locally but almost all of them are trading focused. I also attended some "blockchain events" but most of them are just people shilling their coins/how to become a better trader.

Maybe I haven't tried hard enough finding the builders.

Thank you Roneil, and good luck on your endeavors!

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