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Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Re: Paranoia will destroy us: Why Huawei and other Chinese tech is not spying

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Post by crystaln »

dna_polymerase wrote: post #31
coconut_crab wrote: post #26

Maybe not yet, but it surely gives them the capability to spy later on. My country, Vietnam, also banned Huawei equipment[1], and I don't believe it's pure paranoia. China has been taking every chances to spy on us, from illegally buy houses near Da Nang airport[2] (nearest airbase to Paracels) to 'tourists' walking near the Ministry of Defence to Advanced Persistent Threat targeting petroleum or maritime corporation…

The alternative is relying on US tech. While I get the point that Huawei could be spying on us later on, the US is the one nation we know is spying on us. All tech we use these days can be used for spying. The whole Huawei craze is just the U.S. realizing that they are no longer the only power to fear.

The US spying is subject to a strained but ultimately effective legal and constitutional system. There is no comparison between the US government's transgressions, and the Chinese government's complete unrestricted impunity to spy and infiltrate.

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Post by cm2187 »

karmakaze wrote: post #23
RobertRoberts wrote: post #6

I view this kind of caution against foreign powers (corporations are not separate from their governments in time of war) in the same way that the 2nd amendment protects us against tyranny. And seatbelts from flying through wind shields. You don't need it until you need it, and if you don't have it, it's too late. National infrastructure that needs to work in a time of war must be nationally controlled by all nations.…

Innthe age of information spying is the war.

Spying and computer attacks. All out wars between modern developed countries is badically impossible given our power of destruction.

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Post by Grustaf »

mantas wrote: post #29
fit2rule wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, as an ex-Australian who has lived in America and Europe, I don't trust either China or America with regards to their spying. Both countries have a long line of human rights violations in their history, and neither has shown a particular improvement in the last few decades. The USA has committed untold strife in the world. It has toppled democratically elected governments and installed dictators, it has declar…

There's a massive difference between foreign country spying on you and your own democratically elected government spying on you. Before you try to call US not democratic - don't. It is democratic. Especially when you compare to China. Of course, there's no perfect democracy and we can always work for more.

Why is it better to be spied upon by a “democratic” country? Especially if that country has been known to start a dozen wars and topple numerous regimes in the last decade or so?

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Post by ptah »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #27
RobertRoberts wrote: post #6

I view this kind of caution against foreign powers (corporations are not separate from their governments in time of war) in the same way that the 2nd amendment protects us against tyranny. And seatbelts from flying through wind shields. You don't need it until you need it, and if you don't have it, it's too late. National infrastructure that needs to work in a time of war must be nationally controlled by all nations.…

I think the UK appears to have taken the pragmatic descision since Thatcher, that in anything serious these days it is either overrun or obliterated, so might as well buy the cheap stuff from our strategic rivals that will break down in an apocalypse and we can make some quick cash in the mean time selling off all the national technical base. edit - Has been going on since long before Thatcher, to be fair. There's an…

yip, thatcher set in motion a process that has resulted in there being no uk companies with the expertise t o build a nuclear power station. the uk has to rely on french and chinese state owned companies for that

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Post by alimw »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #27
RobertRoberts wrote: post #6

I view this kind of caution against foreign powers (corporations are not separate from their governments in time of war) in the same way that the 2nd amendment protects us against tyranny. And seatbelts from flying through wind shields. You don't need it until you need it, and if you don't have it, it's too late. National infrastructure that needs to work in a time of war must be nationally controlled by all nations.…

I think the UK appears to have taken the pragmatic descision since Thatcher, that in anything serious these days it is either overrun or obliterated, so might as well buy the cheap stuff from our strategic rivals that will break down in an apocalypse and we can make some quick cash in the mean time selling off all the national technical base. edit - Has been going on since long before Thatcher, to be fair. There's an…

Not sure what sense to make of this:

that in anything serious these days (World War III?) it is either overrun or obliterated (would be either overrun or obliterated?)

I tried clicking on your link to help me understand but it's to an hour-and-a-half long film (and not, I think, a documentary...)

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Post by throwaway8879 »

xbmcuser wrote: post #39
deugtniet wrote: post #8

One point that I'm missing, is that the government of China can legally force any of their companies to start spying. And there would be no way that we would know. Then often the argument becomes: But the US are already spying on us, so it's not too bad. Which is fair, but in the US, there are checks and balances and freedoms so that somebody has recourse. All these things are absent in China. So the question is one…

Yeah tell that to all the people that were interned without any legal recourse by American intelligence. As someone that is not from the USA or China I think we should worry more about USA than China as the records shows it is USA that has kidnapped people from their own countries or 3rd country rather than China.

Or you know, we could worry about both the US and China? I come from a third-world country where my own government is looking to screw me over. There is some consolation in at least getting to choose who screws me over.

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Post by RobertRoberts »

karmakaze wrote: post #23
RobertRoberts wrote: post #6

I view this kind of caution against foreign powers (corporations are not separate from their governments in time of war) in the same way that the 2nd amendment protects us against tyranny. And seatbelts from flying through wind shields. You don't need it until you need it, and if you don't have it, it's too late. National infrastructure that needs to work in a time of war must be nationally controlled by all nations.…

Innthe age of information spying is the war.

That seems like saying "scouting is the war" from 1000 years ago. Perhaps the preparations for war though, and effective strategies during war?

When war starts up, nations don't have time/resources to update their networks/infrastructure.

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Post by [deleted] »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #6

I view this kind of caution against foreign powers (corporations are not separate from their governments in time of war) in the same way that the 2nd amendment protects us against tyranny. And seatbelts from flying through wind shields. You don't need it until you need it, and if you don't have it, it's too late. National infrastructure that needs to work in a time of war must be nationally controlled by all nations.…

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Post by diminish »

Huawei won't be spying but will also limit US spying. so it is a no go.

Currently there are 5 coountries USA, Russia, Israel and China playing the digital intelligence game with enough talent and companies.

On your mobile phone only those countries have a window for spying.

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Post by diminish »

Huawei passed Apple in 2018 and Q12019. It threatens Samsung to become Number 1 soon. Oppo, Xiaomi and other Chinese smartphone manufacturers are also rising.

Old Nokia, HTC, Erickson, Sony, ( US allies like Europe, Taiwan, Japan ) are losing .

Only South Korea held on but is the next one to get pushed into insignificance.

Trump uses non free market tools to stop this growth.

https://www.counterpointresearch.com/huaweis-global-smartpho...

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