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VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by nuriaion »

mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

Also i would assume that the non-Tesla offerings will be cheaper. What i saw about the automobile industry ist that they are very good in building factories/supply chain's where they can produce as cheap as possible. The setup of such a supply chain takes years but when it's there i assume that the prices will be lower than Tesla's. (Also so far i know Tesla need's still a relativ big amout of work hours per car, 60h compare to 30h industry standard)

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by ilikehurdles »

adamvalve wrote: post #21
nickbarnwell wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The least expensive Model 3 in Germany is 57.900 EUR with 540km (wltp cycle) of range – part of this is that they've only been exporting the high margin long-range AWD models. The more expensive "First Edition" id.3 will have approx 425km of range for 35.000 > x Plus, you probably get a better interior. Certainly a better built one…

If the interior is anything like my Tiguan... I would greatly prefer my Model 3 any day. I don't think the ID3 is going to come with a premium interior... haven't seen any photos of it so I could be wrong.

I might be mistaken, but it's a 20k euro price difference isn't it? I'd hope the Model 3 has at least a nicer interior to justify the cost.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by alkonaut »

ed312 wrote: post #4

Is there a reason to start this new model name vs simply calling it the 2020 "eGolf"? Is the eGolf basically a hack design and the ID3 a true, ground-up electric design?

That would be my interpretation. That the traditional Golfs and Tiguans will continue to be delivered with ICE/Hybrid drivetrains but that any pure EV model of an ICE car would always be a compromised design because of how radically different they can be built. So even if they make the ID look like a golf in the body it’s a radically different car, and if they still make the golf they shouldn’t be selling this under the same name. As the article says, the interior will have much more space for example. Calling it eGolf might be confusing, and might be underselling it.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by theluketaylor »

ed312 wrote: post #4

Is there a reason to start this new model name vs simply calling it the 2020 "eGolf"? Is the eGolf basically a hack design and the ID3 a true, ground-up electric design?

Volkswagen is positioning this as the 3rd era of the company. They started with the beetle, then the golf has been the backbone of the company for 40 years, and now the ID.3 is going to be their core identity.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by ilikehurdles »

alkonaut wrote: post #40
kvakvs wrote: post #28

What game industry and preorders have taught us — never do any preorders until the real thing is out and first reviews start coming in.

There it’s a no brainer. If the game turns out to be great, the extra time required for them to produce another copy for you is zero. A car you can at least get a bit sooner by taking the gamble of preordering.

If you pre-order a bad game, you're maybe out $60 if your store doesn't let you refund the product. If you pre-order a bad car, the out of pocket cost is many times higher than that.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by electriclove »

This is great news and now we need them to deliver (and not delay/back out). I hope they sell a ton. We really need an entrenched player to fully commit to selling EVs. If VW goes all-in, everyone else will have to follow suit. Tesla needs to keep the pressure on.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by ilamont »

bdamm wrote: post #34

After the terrible treatment I received as a Volkswagen TDI customer, I will never buy another VW. Period. They fraudulently sold me a car, then managed to finangle their way out of any financial restitution by putting up not only extensive hurdles for customers who wanted to opt for restitution instead of return, they then penalized customers who experienced delays due to their internal system faults by simply rejec…

Could you give more details? Was this related to the emissions scandal?

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by new_realist »

andrewmunsell wrote: post #9
mft_ wrote: post #7

Interesting (and great that the bigger manufacturers are starting to come through with their electric offerings) but the price:range ratio doesn't seem great compared to the Tesla model 3? It's hard to be objective with all of the strongly pro- and anti-Tesla nonsense flying around, but I've had a sneaking suspicion for a while that once the market matures a little (with eg Audi, VW, Porsche all offering their first-…

All you really have to do is look at the current e-Tron and iPace efficiency numbers-- the Model X, which is a heavier vehicle with a smaller battery, goes farther.

The Model X also looks like it was shit out of a dinosaur. Looks matter, even if range suffers.

Re: VW opens preorders for the ID.3, its first long-range electric car

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Post by zaphirplane »

ed312 wrote: post #4

Is there a reason to start this new model name vs simply calling it the 2020 "eGolf"? Is the eGolf basically a hack design and the ID3 a true, ground-up electric design?

Or VW is trying to get some association with Tesla model 3

Wow how very uncreative, I would be too embarrassed by such blatant copying

model => Id 3 => 3

New name ID3

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