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'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

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Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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One thing I didn't get a clear answer from the doctor about last time I saw one was this. Can you unclog your arteries by changing your lifestyle, ie diet and exercise, or is the clogging permanent?

https://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/cholesterol-and...

> Once a cholesterol plaque is there, it's generally there to stay. With effective treatment, though, plaque buildup may slow down or stop.

> Some evidence shows that, with aggressive treatment, cholesterol plaques can even shrink slightly. In one major study, cholesterol plaques shrank 10% in size after a 50% reduction in blood cholesterol levels.

> The best way to treat cholesterol plaques is to prevent them from forming or progressing. That can be done with lifestyle changes and, if needed, medication.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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How much vegetable oil did they consume?

Judging from other "natives" I met, probably as much as they can(with Walmart being 1000 miles away, that would be little). I don't know if you were thinking in terms of "incriminating" veg oil in favor of butter etc, which is the trend in Atkins etc, but the takeaway message of such studies is exercise and the stress-free life, you become what you do and what you think! Eating is a part of thinking and doing, but only up to a point.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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> At the age of 45, almost no Tsimane had CAC in their arteries while 25% of Americans do. > By the time they reach age 75, two-thirds of Tsimane are CAC-free compared with the overwhelming majority of Americans (80%) having signs of CAC. The article doesn't mention obesity at all . 40% of Americans over 40 are obese[1]. Tsimane obesity rates of adults (>20 years) are 5.6% for women and 1.6% for men[2]. Journalists l…

Yes, I would be interested in how I, an in-shape individual who exercises regularly compares to the Tsimane.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love the title in the article: "Is it only diet and exercise?" Lol. So... they are telling the 'news' that people who eat well, are very physically active, live in close communities with little individual isolation... and they are healthy? Hold the presses! Seems like BBC had a day where they needed to put in some filler news articles.

One of the main intriguing things about this group of people is that they do not eat particularly well. > That heart health is in spite of the fact that they consume between 2,433 to 2,738 calories per day ... strangely, their diets aren’t incredibly healthy, though we can still learn a thing or two from their lifestyle. https://www.inverse.com/article/50572-tsimane-amazon-healthy...

> One of the main intriguing things about this group of people is that they do not eat particularly well.

That is only if you take for a fact we know what a healthy diet is and there is a single clear definition.

For me, Healthy eating is a diverse diet that leads to good health. Particularly eating foods where caloric density is offset by nutritional value. Based on my own definition and the facts of the article, these people do eat healthy.

I think the surprise comes from people who think they know what a 'healthy diet' is.

As the article states, 'this is definitively not keto diet' - for me this means about zero to me. If that point is surprising to you or to a group of people, I think you are right, it is a surprising study from that point of view. Thanks for helping me understand the newsworthy part of this.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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Doesn't even mention sugar. Seems like that would be a very large and important difference.

Just says "72% of calories come from carbohydrates compared with 52% in the US", which might encourage a westerner to eat more carbs, but if they're eating whole rice and we're eating sugar that seems kinda important.

Comparison of gut bacteria would be interesting too, bet that's as important as the diet itself.

Re: 'Healthiest hearts in the world' found

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> One idea is that intestinal worms - which dampen immune reactions - could be more common and this may help protect the heart.

That worm infects most of the population:

> And about 70% of the population has a parasitic worm infection [Ascaris lumbricoides, a type of roundworm]. ... Up to a third of the world's population also lives with such infections.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-34857022

Before latching onto exercise or diet as the primary factors, it's worth considering the effect of this worm infection. It could influence the heart indirectly through nutrient flow, immune suppression as suggested for the original article or the one on pregnancy, or directly via for example larvae/segments, etc.

BTW, the lifecycle of this thing is the stuff of nightmares:

> Ascaris lumbricoides, a roundworm, infects humans via the fecal-oral route. Eggs released by adult females are shed in feces. Unfertilized eggs are often observed in fecal samples but never become infective. Fertilized eggs embryonate and become infective after 18 days to several weeks in soil, depending on the environmental conditions (optimum: moist, warm, shaded soil).[5]. When an embryonated egg is ingested, a Rhabditiform larva hatches then penetrates the wall of the duodenum and enters the blood stream. From there, it is carried to the liver and heart, and enters pulmonary circulation to break free in the alveoli, where it grows and molts. In three weeks, the larva passes from the respiratory system to be coughed up, swallowed, and thus returned to the small intestine, where it matures to an adult male or female worm. Fertilization can now occur and the female produces as many as 200,000 eggs per day for 12–18 months. These fertilized eggs become infectious after two weeks in soil; they can persist in soil for 10 years or more.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascaris_lumbricoides

Clearly, the juvenile state spends some time in the circulatory system, where it should have some opportunities to influence coronary artery calcium.

I looked for studies that examined the incidence of heart disease/CAC buildup among other infected populations but didn't immediately find anything.

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