I've heard that AI and semicon are going on the export control list, and even a US national communicating knowledge with someone is a "deemed export". Does this mean all Chinese H1-Bs are going to be barred from working at Microsoft, Google, Intel, and Qualcomm?
Why the doors to America are closing for Chinese tech students
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#42Who, exactly, doesn't understand that the US university system requires a certain number of grad students to have the research output it produces, and a great way to close that gap would be to improve secondary education in the US? Also, I have a bit of ill will toward US universities that turns down US students in favor of Chinese students. I'm looking at you, UCSD.
There aren't many students fit for grad school (in the sciences) that are held back by poor secondary education. Obviously, some specialized programs could accelerate top kids farther, faster, but they're mostly already grad-school capable.
I sort of feel like it can have a big effect if done well or poorly - secondary school is the intro to biology, chemistry, and physics. A very poorly run school can really harm students interest in those subjects.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not if you value political freedom
Any examples of rich people doing things in the US that’d be persecuted in China? Donating to the Libertarian party perhaps? Most of the time I’d imagine the rich are aligned with the status quo.
Avoiding political persecution (at least what I meant by it) is more about kissing the right asses and not stepping on the wrong persons toes. Rich in the US does not mean living in a minefield.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think due to the US inability to fix fundamental issues with regards to upward mobility, education and a fuck you attitude on the world stage. Anything they do to counter China will only hasten the rise of China and their decline.
A vast majority of the Chinese international students I met in college were: Already incredibly wealthy (if you think inequality is bad in the US, you should see Shanghai or other parts of China) and had no intentions of staying in the US and were just here for education. It was extremely common to see Chinese students driving around in BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, and very often nicer cars, and it became something of a st…
Back when I actually bothered to investigate the matter (more than ten years ago), there were no universities that were taxpayer funded in the way that everyone expects when you say that (no to low tuition). Has that changed?
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#46How many advantages does America have left if China gains a decisive edge in its research capabilities? I count military and control of the international monetary system. That isn't a winning hand unless the Chinese shoot themselves in the foot with corruption or a return to their communist roots.
English is a huge advantage. I don't see the rest of the world clamouring to learn Mandarin any time soon. It's a benefit, sure, but not a necessity.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think due to the US inability to fix fundamental issues with regards to upward mobility, education and a fuck you attitude on the world stage. Anything they do to counter China will only hasten the rise of China and their decline.
A vast majority of the Chinese international students I met in college were: Already incredibly wealthy (if you think inequality is bad in the US, you should see Shanghai or other parts of China) and had no intentions of staying in the US and were just here for education. It was extremely common to see Chinese students driving around in BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, and very often nicer cars, and it became something of a st…
> Not to mention my university was taxpayer funded.
As a counterpoint, those Chinese students not only pay about 50% more tuition than you, but they also have created a great intra-uni economy by hiring other people to take their entry tests, do their homework, and take their exams.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think due to the US inability to fix fundamental issues with regards to upward mobility, education and a fuck you attitude on the world stage. Anything they do to counter China will only hasten the rise of China and their decline.
A vast majority of the Chinese international students I met in college were: Already incredibly wealthy (if you think inequality is bad in the US, you should see Shanghai or other parts of China) and had no intentions of staying in the US and were just here for education. It was extremely common to see Chinese students driving around in BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, and very often nicer cars, and it became something of a st…
> Not to mention my university was taxpayer funded.
Assuming it was a US university, the Chinese students were paying a special extra-high tuition for international students.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not if you value political freedom
Any examples of rich people doing things in the US that’d be persecuted in China? Donating to the Libertarian party perhaps? Most of the time I’d imagine the rich are aligned with the status quo.
Participating in a religion, criticizing the communist party, speaking out about forbidden topics and more. Mostly though the system will take you down for not paying enough bribes or pissing off the wrong officials.
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#50I've heard that AI and semicon are going on the export control list, and even a US national communicating knowledge with someone is a "deemed export". Does this mean all Chinese H1-Bs are going to be barred from working at Microsoft, Google, Intel, and Qualcomm?
It means that AI is going to be sequestered to buildings with big unfriendly signs at the door "No Foreign Persons Beyond This Point" and data will have to be managed in ways similar to medical, financial, legal, or payment data.
Long ago I worked in defense and had some export controlled hardware (unlocked/no restriction high performance GPS and satellite technology)
What it meant was that to work on our stuff you had to be a "US Person" and "export" could be a conversation with the wrong person. In practice it meant the work couldn't be shared with students from a short list of countries. The punishment for infractions could be as little as recording and notification and as severe as significant prison terms. "Export" happens quite a lot and usually consists of innocuous mistakes.