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Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Post by charliemil4 »

anoplus wrote: post #16

Programmer in a start-up here. Please do talk about this with your workaholic colleagues as I did! We need to create an industry standard here. Sleep is super important to success and happiness, and I just recently found that sleep is not enough. I need also rest. If I don't have rest and relaxation often I get tired for several days regardless of sleep time. Writing this after deliberate 5 minutes downtime.

Why don't you think your colleagues value sleep? Is it that there's no data, save qualitative, backing up your claims?

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Post by Sander_Marechal »

wallflower wrote: post #10

When I was younger, like many people, I thought of all-nighters as a thing to brag about. Now, I see sleep deprivation as a serious health debt that you pay nosebleed compound interest rates on. If you get less than your preferred amount of sleep, everyday living can become more complicated. Simple tasks can become dangerous. Do not walk down stairs without holding the hand rail if you are tired! Also, my sleep track…

> I see sleep deprivation as a serious health debt that you pay nosebleed compound interest rates on.

I wish it were that easy! Years and years of sleep deprivation left me dealing with pretty bad anxiety attacks. It's been almost 6 years now and they are mostly manageable. I'm still on medication though, which has other not-so-fun side effects.

Don't be stupid like me. Get enough sleep! It's the only part I dread about having children: The lack of sleep in the first few months/years is probably going to worsen my anxiety attacks :-/

I still really want kids though :-)

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Post by oddie »

It's exciting to see specific validation for our industry.

We've seen a similar phenomenon with athletes, which drove us to create a sleep improvement app, called Rise Science (https://www.risescience.com), for athletes that tells them what to do to improve their sleep tonight based on science. It's currently being used by both professional and collegiate teams across the NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS, and NCAAF.

We're now taking what we've learned from athletes and adapting it so anyone can engage in a lifelong practice of healthy sleep. If you're interested in helping test the early beta version of our app sign up here: http://bit.ly/hacker-friends

(for those interested in similar studies, here's a related paper from a friend of Rise at Stanford, where they quantify the impact of less sleep on cognitive performance using web search interactions as a proxy: http://timalthoff.de/docs/althoff-2017-population_scale_phys...)

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Post by fredley »

Struggling to get to sleep? One thing that really helped me was taking care of what I was doing in the hour or two before bedtime. Staying up scrolling through work emails or reddit or news? Your mind's gonna be racing when you get to bed. Now I watch an hour of TV with my phone in another room - a completely passive activity that gives my mind time to settle down.

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Post by gubbrora »

heymijo wrote: post #12
wallflower wrote: post #10

When I was younger, like many people, I thought of all-nighters as a thing to brag about. Now, I see sleep deprivation as a serious health debt that you pay nosebleed compound interest rates on. If you get less than your preferred amount of sleep, everyday living can become more complicated. Simple tasks can become dangerous. Do not walk down stairs without holding the hand rail if you are tired! Also, my sleep track…

"as a serious health debt" Except, sleep isn't a debt because the loss can't be repaid. This is one of many important things I have picked up from Dr. Matthew Walker who wrote "Why We Sleep" and has been doing the podcast rounds lately. Not to pick on you at all. It sounds like you have made some big realizations and are making fantastic changes. Realizing I can't make up sleep to pay off the "debt" has been eye open…

It can be repaid in the sense that we stop being tired. This is what people mean by repaid.

But the lost productivity from when we were tired can not be recovered.

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Post by tehlike »

dakics wrote: post #26

I've bought recently one of those cheap wrist bands. One of the most important features for me was ability to measure sleep quality in terms of "daily hours of deep sleep," whatever that scientifically means. Over the course of several months, I've been able to identify things which affect my sleep quality: * eating late: bad * drinking late: one beer... not really that bad * answering work emails until midnight: REA…

I also believe sleep quality and carbondioxide level could be related. Need to get a device and give it a test.

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Post by dakics »

jdironman wrote: post #31
dakics wrote: post #26

I've bought recently one of those cheap wrist bands. One of the most important features for me was ability to measure sleep quality in terms of "daily hours of deep sleep," whatever that scientifically means. Over the course of several months, I've been able to identify things which affect my sleep quality: * eating late: bad * drinking late: one beer... not really that bad * answering work emails until midnight: REA…

What is the brand of the device? I am interested in getting one. I'm struggling today after little sleep, but I would also like insight on how much deep sleep I am getting.

Mi Band 3. It appears its sleep quality measurement through gyroscope/accelerator is accurate enough.

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Post by dakics »

charliemil4 wrote: post #39
dakics wrote: post #26

I've bought recently one of those cheap wrist bands. One of the most important features for me was ability to measure sleep quality in terms of "daily hours of deep sleep," whatever that scientifically means. Over the course of several months, I've been able to identify things which affect my sleep quality: * eating late: bad * drinking late: one beer... not really that bad * answering work emails until midnight: REA…

Do you think there are any shortcuts to the months of experimenting? I'd also be interested to learn how you validated your hypothesis (one night of sleep, a few nights of emails at midnight?)

Purely empirical... just figuring out what I did last day/evening, and then noticed how sleep is affected in certain patterns.

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Post by nicoburns »

afturner wrote: post #40
dtwhitney wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aww come on! No punch line?

I think the punch line is that the last dude doesn't exist

I have only ever worked for people that take this attitude, and now that I lead my own team, I am sure to make this clear to them too.
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