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Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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It's so weird how US mass media refuses to name/identify some offenders but identifies some offenders by their identities.

If some black youth engage in gunplay the headlines read "5 Chicagoans gunned down", if some Chinese scam an Apple store it's "Oregon Students defraud apple store", if a Somali joins ISIS the story goes to press as "Minneapolis Man joins ISIS" or "Another person from Rep. Omar's district joins ISIS".

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

because india is not in asia, it's in india

Weird jokes aside, I cannot not think asia = china,japan,tibet,koreas,vietnam,laos,thailand ..

In my brain, the rest is ~elsewhere

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I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

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Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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I wonder why the headline says 'Asian' instead of saying Chinese, since all three researchers were Chinese with ties to China. As an ethic Indian, I'm kinda offended when all Asians are just lumped together as I believe it promotes general racism and bias against anyone from that continent .

Agreed. There's no reason to distrust "Asian researchers"; there's reason to distrust "researchers with ties to China in the political climate of 2019".

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Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

How are Indians not considered “Asians in practice” when they are considered as such by the Census, the authoritative organization that sets the categorization standard?

The GP is correct. Of course officially Asia has many nations. But colloquially we use 'Asian' to refer to East Asian folks. You're talking about a country that, in many parts, refers to Native Americans as 'Indians' to this day...

Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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Funny you say that because in the US, Indians are not considered Asians in practice even though of course South Asia is, well in Asia. I have seen many people argue that Asians only mean East Asians and does not include South Asians. However, the official census lumps all Asians together.

As an American, when I hear Asian I think Chinese/Japanese/Korean. Despite the fact that I know India is in Asia, I don’t think of people from India as Asians. Incidentally, Israel is also in Asia, but I don’t consider Israelis to be Asian either. https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-continent-is-israel...

I think also the divide between Europe and Asia to be silly since generally continent is defined as: "any of the world's main continuous expanses of land" - and I don't see any dividing body of water between Europe and Asia... What am I missing?

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Thats a pretty inclusive view on what racism is.

In 2019, anything mildly differing from one's own opinion can be said to be racist.

Today, most of the people do not accept to be "offended" by hearing/reading a different opinion. It is so sad...

A healthy Socratic debate between people of opposite views is today almost impossible.

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So you're fine as long as racism is only directed towards races other than your own?

Chinese is a nationality or citizenship status. If the focus were reporting han chinese then it would enter the territory of racism.

it obviously depends on the context, but China is homogeneous enough that 'chinese' is often used to mean more than just nationality

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I remember when I was young (+40 years ago), many Swiss private banks would only hire Swiss people. That rule was due to the French IRS equivalent having their own employees sent to Switzerland and hired by Swiss bank. They were mole transmitting confidential information about French clients. So these private banks had to restore trust and security. Honestly still today, for some critial jobs, I do not understand com…

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Re: Major U.S. cancer center ousts ‘Asian’ researchers after NIH flags foreign ties

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It's so weird how US mass media refuses to name/identify some offenders but identifies some offenders by their identities. If some black youth engage in gunplay the headlines read "5 Chicagoans gunned down", if some Chinese scam an Apple store it's "Oregon Students defraud apple store", if a Somali joins ISIS the story goes to press as "Minneapolis Man joins ISIS" or "Another person from Rep. Omar's district joins IS…

> It's so weird how US mass media refuses to name/identify some offenders but identifies some offenders by their identities.

That's not the case here. The identity of the offenders was not disclosed:

"Cancer center officials have not named any of the five researchers. MD Anderson President Peter Pisters says all are “Asian”; Science has confirmed that three are ethnically Chinese."

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