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I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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Q: "How would you describe your management style, because you have a pretty unique management style?" Jason Calacanis: "Yeah, I would say I like people to be able to keep up with me. Uuuhm. And I don't get tired - I have only experienced being tired a couple of times in my life, it's typically from running the marathon and so I need people who are indefatigable, people who have pretty high stamina. I need people who…

> I have only experienced being tired a couple of times in my life

I would love to impart my congenitally low blood sugar to him so that he can know what it's like to have to battle chronic fatigue 24/7 with diet and exercise just so you can function and not feel depressed all the time.

Managing that is probably 50-75% of my personal effort in being a productive programmer.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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I worked for him for the first 2.5 years of Mahalo. I got hired right after dropping out of college. During my time there I was promoted twice, got to spend 3 months paid to live over seas and went to a party at the playboy mansion.

Say what you will about him or his style but my experience was was a net positive and if you turn the clock back and I'd do it again.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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post #39

Q: "How would you describe your management style, because you have a pretty unique management style?" Jason Calacanis: "Yeah, I would say I like people to be able to keep up with me. Uuuhm. And I don't get tired - I have only experienced being tired a couple of times in my life, it's typically from running the marathon and so I need people who are indefatigable, people who have pretty high stamina. I need people who…

I know it's fashionable to hate Calacanis, but must confess to not finding too much wrong with the paragraph. I have worked with quite a few people who wondered "is my name in lights yet?", while wanting work/life balance at the same time. My personal thought on it was: "we are trying to make a dent in the world, and it takes something extra, and you have to really want it, cause it's hard (and tiring), and if you wo…

It's not the gist of what he says that's unreasonable, it's the details and the phrasing which reveal a lot about the dude's personality.

It's the self-obsession inherent in the way he keeps referring to his own (self-perceived) good qualities as the ideals to which others should try to live up to.

It's the pointless bragging. "Oh, I've only been tired a few times in my life, usually after a marathon". Cool story, bro!

It's the way he gives the impression that the only thing he seems to value in his employees is how much they're willing to kill themselves for the sake of the company.

Above all, it's this apparent feeling of entitlement that he deserves to have the best people in the world working for him. This might be justified if he'd sold his last two companies for ten billion dollars a piece and made all his employees rich. But according to wikipedia he's sold one company for the $30 million range; presumably enough to make the founders rich but only to give a modest payoff to the employees. If the best he can say is that some of his employees make $100K after getting $30K for the first few years (compared to a big company where they'd instead make $100K after getting $75K for the first few years...) then I'm really not sure where this sense of entitlement is coming from.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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I don't know Jason Calacanis, his personality or anything. His "I'm never tired, keep up with me" is.... odd to say the least.

Nevertheless, I do agree with his "I want to surround myself with people who can work at my pace, work 80 hours a week not caring about life balance." Maybe not at a large company, but at an early stage startup I WANT people around me who are working hard and determined to make their product successful because they care about it.

What's so bad about what Calacanis said? 70-80 hour weeks are not unheard of in the startup world...

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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So being one of the few people in this thread that has worked with Jason, I wanted to chime in for a second.

Jason is totally demanding and pushes everyone around him to their limits. Yes. True.

But, underneath all the bulldog, seriously the guy has a heart of gold. Sometimes he doesn't show it, and even he'd admit some level of narcissism, but from personal experience, I can fully say that working with Jason changed my career for the better in every way.

I originally worked with Jason at Weblogs, Inc., and as we were acquired by AOL, worked with him on the relaunch of Netscape. I went through a personal tragedy during the launch of the site, and Jason / the team were instrumental in me coming out of that with my wits about me.

To be clear: Jason is hard to work with. He does joust publicly, which I would attribute to his form of marketing.

I have absolutely no inside knowledge of his actual tactics, but my guess is he takes on someone who he knows people don't like, then points out their flaws over time, figuring eventually he'll come out on top since his side of the story looks so rosy by comparison. Oh, and he does this by being fairly hyperbolic. (Mainstream media, junkets in journalism, Gawker, Pay-to-play angels, SEOs, off the top of my head.)

That all aside, I think working with Jason set me up to have a wide-eyed view of startups. I treasured the experience, and while I think everyone should evaluate their personal limits carefully before embarking on a career with someone who will literally push all of them, I don't think anyone who's worked with him has regret the time they spent with Jason. That doesn't mean all of them want to work with him again... but I heartily encourage anyone who wants to be pushed to work with him. It will be a hugely rewarding experience professionally. It was for me, anyway.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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I don't know Jason Calacanis, his personality or anything. His "I'm never tired, keep up with me" is.... odd to say the least. Nevertheless, I do agree with his "I want to surround myself with people who can work at my pace, work 80 hours a week not caring about life balance." Maybe not at a large company, but at an early stage startup I WANT people around me who are working hard and determined to make their product…

If you're gonna expect me to work eighty hours a week, there'd better be a seriously large payoff. In particular, it'd have to be much more than twice what I could get by working forty hours a week; it'd have to be at least four times as much.

I don't get the impression that he's offering that much extra value to his employees.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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post #34

The irony of this post is that Jason would most definitely not want you in his company. In a startup, which his companies are, there really is no room for people want normal jobs and want to work normal hours. Startup life is a very fast paced constant swim upstream. You're trying to cram years worth of work into months to create enormous value as quickly as possible. ALL startups want "rockstar" employees as they he…

Firstly, how do you know he would never want me? I consider myself the perfect startup employee.

I actually have worked for one startup before and am doing my own right now.

I know about long nights, tight deadlines, and no money.

I know about creativity due to constraints and responding quickly.

I also know about abusive bosses and unproductive labor practices.

I would be hard pressed to find ANY software developer that agrees that they perform best under a boss like Jason.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know it's fashionable to hate Calacanis, but must confess to not finding too much wrong with the paragraph. I have worked with quite a few people who wondered "is my name in lights yet?", while wanting work/life balance at the same time. My personal thought on it was: "we are trying to make a dent in the world, and it takes something extra, and you have to really want it, cause it's hard (and tiring), and if you wo…

It's not the gist of what he says that's unreasonable, it's the details and the phrasing which reveal a lot about the dude's personality. It's the self-obsession inherent in the way he keeps referring to his own (self-perceived) good qualities as the ideals to which others should try to live up to. It's the pointless bragging. "Oh, I've only been tired a few times in my life, usually after a marathon". Cool story, br…

Right, taken in the context of just this interview, it is not that bad, it's just a guy saying I want extraordinary people and "claims" that he is willing to compensate them for being extraordinary. Standing by itself there is nothing wrong with it. But when you contrast that, with the buzz that went around a few months ago because someone job hopped him because they did not like the environment it tells a totally different story. There is a significant sense of entitlement in that exchange whereas this on seems to contradict his position, in this he pretty much states if you don't like it you are free to leave. But it would seem that he feels it is actually, if I don't like you, you I am free to protect my interests.

Re: I would never work for Jason Calacanis - There, I said it

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Q: "How would you describe your management style, because you have a pretty unique management style?" Jason Calacanis: "Yeah, I would say I like people to be able to keep up with me. Uuuhm. And I don't get tired - I have only experienced being tired a couple of times in my life, it's typically from running the marathon and so I need people who are indefatigable, people who have pretty high stamina. I need people who…

With the caveat that Mike Arrington is not an objective third party as regards Jason these days, I recall him mentioning that Calacanis was regularly taking modafinil so as to not need sleep. c.f. http://techcrunch.com/2010/11/03/at-my-wits-end-jason-calaca...

I realize this may result in "I don't get tired" but for my two cents, chemical augmentation isn't really the same thing.

Or maybe that's a more accurate description of Olympic athletes than I'd like to admit.

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