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It's odd that if Muslims want to separate their boys and girls from a young age we think it is horrible and abusive. But if Christians or Jews do the exact same thing, we are fine with it because we must respect their traditions.
I think that modern religions and the way they learn to part with certain medieval ways is critical. The Jewish religion has been arguably successful with this, producing exceedingly prestigious scientists and mathematicians. The risk is always the "fundamental" factions.
I disagree that their religion produced them. Their genetics and their environment did, to varying degrees, but religion is only one small aspect of the latter. What's your basis to assert that it is the most important factor?
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I disagree that their religion produced them. Their genetics and their environment did, to varying degrees, but religion is only one small aspect of the latter. What's your basis to assert that it is the most important factor?
I'm not sure if genetics play as great a role as culture. IMO there is enough genetic variation in all cultures to produce Einsteins, but some cultures are able to cultivate that potential better than others. You can't separate culture from religion, but culture is distinct from religion. I'm actually really mad at Jordan Peterson for answering the Jewish Question and giving it a platform. I assume that's where you g…
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What I have in mind is cultural pluralism. Take the US; most people accept a certain set of political norms: democracy, the constitution, a republic-style political system. But people who accept those basic norms and institutions can have a wide variety of cultural and political beliefs. They can be left wing or right wing, Orthodox Jew or atheist, patriarchal or egalitarian. But they all accept the basic US framewor…
I think it's important within the pluralist framework to also recognize that we require conformance from all groups in more than just the small core. We require all groups to be law-abiding in action if not thought. Part of the democratic ideals is that if The People make a law, everyone will follow it, even as they campaign to change it. (Which glosses over some legitimate forms of protest, but this is an internet c…
I think this is a net positive. I believe when people advocate for expanding the scope of what beliefs and behaviors government can enforce, they lack the imagination to wonder what could happen if you find your beliefs in the minority one day.
It's odd that if Muslims want to separate their boys and girls from a young age we think it is horrible and abusive. But if Christians or Jews do the exact same thing, we are fine with it because we must respect their traditions.
And since I had only recently of it, gender segregation is quite alive in significantly many Israel Jewish communities.
It's odd that if Muslims want to separate their boys and girls from a young age we think it is horrible and abusive. But if Christians or Jews do the exact same thing, we are fine with it because we must respect their traditions.
Did you read the article? It's about not being fine with it.
I don't think bjourne is suggesting that Deborah accepts the practice.
I think that modern religions and the way they learn to part with certain medieval ways is critical. The Jewish religion has been arguably successful with this, producing exceedingly prestigious scientists and mathematicians. The risk is always the "fundamental" factions.
Rather, the jewish scientists benefited from living in wealthy colonial europe which provided opportunities ( though there were anti-semitic roadblocks as well ) for research.
There is a reason why most of the prominent jewish scientists are from germany, britain and US. You need wealth, infrastructure and research instutions.
Jews in the middle east, china, africa, etc haven't as much due to instability, lack of wealth, infrastructure, etc.
The same goes for chinese scientists. The US has produced a couple of chinese noble prize winners ( in sciences ). China has produced none since they were going through colonization and the unstable post-colonialism periods. Now that they are getting wealthier, developing infrastructure, etc, I'm going to guess that in the next couple of decades, china will produce a few noble prize winners.
Science, like art, is a "liberal" pursuit which stems from ancient greece where the wealthy "liberals" had time to think because they were free ( liberal ) from work because their slaves did most of the work. In modern times, excess wealth is a prerequisite for most research. When you or society is desperately trying to survive and feed its people, nobody has the free time for "liberal" pursuits.
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Did you read the article? It's about not being fine with it.
I feel like bjourne is referring to the hypocracy that society commonly accepts the Jewish practice, whereas the Muslim practice is generally rejected. I don't think bjourne is suggesting that Deborah accepts the practice.
I think that modern religions and the way they learn to part with certain medieval ways is critical. The Jewish religion has been arguably successful with this, producing exceedingly prestigious scientists and mathematicians. The risk is always the "fundamental" factions.
During the Medieval era a lot of the most prominent scientific discoveries in Europe were done by Muslim scholars in a wide variety of fields.
However the modern radical approach to the religion has definitely resulted in many scientists having to abandon their countries and faith due to a variety of reasons.