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Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

#41
Do you know if these phones will be exported to the US or just for domestic consumption in India?

Also how "complicated" is the manufacturing? Is it just lsat-mile assembling of all pre-made components shipped in from the US, China, Germany, et al. or the same technical processes and complexity that goes on in one of these Chinese plants that pump out the iPhone X, XS and XS Maxes?

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes you think you will not pay a premium for iPhones in India in the future? Apple prices based on demand curves, not supply costs.

India has a really high import tax on electronic items. Even if Apple charges a slight premium over its US prices, it's still going to be significantly cheaper than what it currently is. For example: a 64 GB iPhone X is currently selling for around 1100 dollars.

> a 64 GB iPhone X is currently selling for around 1100 dollars.

That isn't right. The iPhone X costs (just under) 1,00,000 INR retail in India, which is over 1400 usd.

This includes taxes.

For reference: https://www.flipkart.com/mobiles/apple~brand/pr?sid=tyy,4io&

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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post #9

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It’s not “just” that, it’s actially the desired result of the protectionist policy, which appears to have been effective.

Why don't other large, developing countries adopt similar policies? What are the downsides?

Strong government management of the economy was the foundation for the success of Japan, South Korea, and Singapore in the mid 20th century (as an example). So absolutely people do it.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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This is so against globalisation and global trade it‘s not even funny. Totally cool if Apple did this voluntarily, but the only reason they‘re doing it is to prevent high import taxes. India is a huge market. So it‘s all good. Brazil is a good deal smaller and requires the same thing. So does Argentina (and is even smaller). Now imagine every country would do this.

In some ways, every third-world country in the world SHOULD do this. I say this as an Indian iPhone user.

iPhones are a luxury product. A tax on imported high end electronics is a tax on the well-off. Not only that, it's the best kind - a tax that an end-user can choose whether or not they want to pay.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

#45
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You are forgetting India is a land of 1.3 billion people. There are at least 50 - 100 million people who are willing to spend more than 500$ on a phone. That's a big enough market for Apple to consider.

No. The sale of 500$+ phones in only in a few million.

Yep, but it's growing. The premium segment(above 500$) is the fastest growing segment of the market. And even the segment just below it (300$ - 500$) is a chunky portion of the market who are all potential customers for the premium segment.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

#46

I agree with an above poster, this seems to me like a political or legal concession just for Apple to be able to sell in India more easily (or maybe at all?). The infrastructure and political circumstances in India are just laughable. Read all the articles about the manufacturing ecosystem around Apple factories in China, the special bonded customs zones the regional governments set up, the incentives, and workers th…

> India by comparison is a disaster. You don't even know which official to bribe to get the power to stay on properly. Almost more trouble than it's worth to enter that market

Oh dear. Thats patently false. Major manufacturing usnits get their own dedicated connection along with own local grids. The power situation for large industries is as good as it gets. Smaller industries and consumers may get the shaft in some areas but this is never the case for the big ones in major manufactiruing areas.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

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post #40

This is so against globalisation and global trade it‘s not even funny. Totally cool if Apple did this voluntarily, but the only reason they‘re doing it is to prevent high import taxes. India is a huge market. So it‘s all good. Brazil is a good deal smaller and requires the same thing. So does Argentina (and is even smaller). Now imagine every country would do this.

India makes medicine cheap and iPhones costly. And you are complaining?

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

#48
post #40

This is so against globalisation and global trade it‘s not even funny. Totally cool if Apple did this voluntarily, but the only reason they‘re doing it is to prevent high import taxes. India is a huge market. So it‘s all good. Brazil is a good deal smaller and requires the same thing. So does Argentina (and is even smaller). Now imagine every country would do this.

For non-essential products, yes, I think most developing countries should impose an import tax on non-essential luxuries. In India same rules apply to imported cars as well - which has massively helped local industry because Mercedes, BMW, Audi all have factories here. There's no reason for Apple to get special treatment.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

India has a really high import tax on electronic items. Even if Apple charges a slight premium over its US prices, it's still going to be significantly cheaper than what it currently is. For example: a 64 GB iPhone X is currently selling for around 1100 dollars.

> a 64 GB iPhone X is currently selling for around 1100 dollars. That isn't right. The iPhone X costs (just under) 1,00,000 INR retail in India, which is over 1400 usd. This includes taxes. For reference: https://www.flipkart.com/mobiles/apple~brand/pr?sid=tyy,4io&

That’s what Apple usually does: they keep roughly the same digits, and change the currency. And it usually makes their products significantly more expensive outside of the US.

I live in Sweden, and the pricing will go like this:

- The US: $999

- The EU: €999

- Sweden: 9900 SEK

Depending on currency rates, it can become up to 30% more expensive.

My favorite discovery was around the time of the trashcan MacPro. It was cheaper to fly to New York, buy the Mac, and fly back than to buy one in Sweden. And you would still have money left over.

Re: Mass Production of iPhones to Start in India

#50
This illustrates why all of those stories[1] about why Apple can't manufacture in the USA are relatively hollow.

Apple doesn't manufacture in the US as they are not forced to manufacture in the US. If they were, they'd make it happen and work-around any issues, just as they have in India.

Apple doesn't want to manufacture in India (via Foxconn) but the Indian regulations and government didn't budge which forced Apple's and Foxconn's hand. Result: Apple/Foxconn is now making iPhones in India.

If the US citizens stood up for their own interests more, then there would be a Made in the USA iPhone... perhaps more expensive than a China made one, but Apple may decide to absorb the margin hit to retain marketshare in their largest market.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/28/18200330/why-apple-cant-m...

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