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Re: Yelp tried to strong-arm us

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Why should I believe a self post? There's a weird anti-Yelp cult but never can the people who claim Yelp is involved with nefarious business practices provide any actual proof. Yelp employees don't know about these practices. Yelp says it doesn't have these practices. And these people can't ever offer substantive evidence for the outrage porn they're writing. I'm thoroughly convinced after reading countless of these…

But repeated allegations of these practices remain, e.g.

https://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/yelp-and-the-business...

There is more evidence in the filings for Curry v. Yelp.

Re: Yelp tried to strong-arm us

#42

I do wonder —with so many examples— how they avoid being charged with racketeering or extortion.

Because it isn't true? Because it's an unverified self-post on reddit, one of the least trustworthy places on the internet?

This is far from the first individual report of this, and what happens if you don't pay. It's allegedly been happening for years. See other comments in here for more.

Re: Yelp tried to strong-arm us

#43

Why should I believe a self post? There's a weird anti-Yelp cult but never can the people who claim Yelp is involved with nefarious business practices provide any actual proof. Yelp employees don't know about these practices. Yelp says it doesn't have these practices. And these people can't ever offer substantive evidence for the outrage porn they're writing. I'm thoroughly convinced after reading countless of these…

> It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. This quote has never been more relevant here. > Yelp employees don't know about these practices. > Yelp says it doesn't have these practices. And both of these parties have skin in the game. Their incentives are, of course, to pretend they do not have dishonest and extortionate practices and to perpetuate the…

>And both of these parties have skin in the game.

I think you need to avoid using conspiracy theories. It's a rating system, not a secret government project.

>There have been multiple accounts over the years from business owners detailing the nature of their phone calls with Yelp.

You and I have very very different standards on what constitutes evidence on any subject matter. It's simply not rational to take people are their word when they're so emotionally invested in this subject matter, or what's more likely is they're just being scammed. Small business owners tend to not be the brightest bunch of people. And there is a sizable population of current and former engineers all saying Yelp does not do these things. There has never been evidence of anything the actions people accuse Yelp of taking. It's either scammers or rather, as I've come to see, business owners just being salty they get negative reviews.

Based on how you're thinking about this, you'd think the IRS and the scammers who call people over the phone pretending to be the IRS are one in the same. That's how insane you're being.

>Until their algorithm for rating is open sourced

You seem to be under the impression this would mean anything, but it's an opinion born out of a dearth of knowledge on technical systems and security in general. The code being published isn't necessarily the code being run.

>It is indicative of poor research,

I think you need to really have a big think about what opinions and solutions you think are worth considering.

>victim blaming

What? There are victims here?

>vague goalpost

Now you're just throwing words around.

Re: Yelp tried to strong-arm us

#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You don't have to believe it. I know I don't. I asked why I should. The principle behind the question was providing rational evidence to lend credence to these stories. Your statements don't offer anything that help with this.

The only "rational evidence" you could ever get is Yelp stats and they're obviously biased. Or you could compile anecdotes into actual data, read between the lines of their reports on retain rates.

>Or you could compile anecdotes into actual data,

So we should believe the IRS does actually call people and ask for their information? Because if you think listening to these types of posts are the equivalent of massaging anecdotes into actual "data", that's the conclusion you're going to come to on either subject matter.

Or we could realize the fundamental ego-stroking absurdities of these posts, take into account there's no evidence, take into account that no employees former or current say that Yelp is involved with nefarious business practices, and take into account the business' own statements on this matter, and come to the very rational conclusion that these posts aren't based on any actual actions taken by Yelp.

Re: Yelp tried to strong-arm us

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it isn't true? Because it's an unverified self-post on reddit, one of the least trustworthy places on the internet?

This is far from the first individual report of this, and what happens if you don't pay. It's allegedly been happening for years. See other comments in here for more.

And yet they've still avoided being charged with anything, which suggests that stories might be less credible than they first seem.
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