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A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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adding the crucifix ban is a ridiculous fig leaf, as there's no obligation to wear an enormous crucifix in any Christian sect that I know of. whereas there is clearly an actual obligation to wear a kippah, headscarf, or turban. the bill is obviously targeted at Jews, Muslims, and Sikhs. if there were any special dress requirements for mainstream Christian groups, these bills would never have been proposed.

That headscarf is there for one and one reason only. To shame other women. If the catholic church jumped out of the history books to demand the right for its believers to wear it in office- you would rightfully tell them no. Because what that scarf yells at all those who do not wear it, through the voice of all the "believers" is "harlet, wrench, slut". If that thing was pushed by the catholic church, or evangelicals…

> "harlet, wrench, slut"

LOL. Also, keep your nuts covered or you're screwed.

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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How about changing the bill so that men have to wear exactly the same thing that they force their women to wear? Or else no one gets to wear any religious symbols.

Because I think, subconsciously, that what makes me bananas about religious symbols is not the symbols themselves, but the gender-inequality with which they are applied.

Muslim coverings are a very thinly-disguised misogyny. Same with kippahs and the stuff they force nuns to wear.

I support very strongly people's right to wear a symbol of any ridiculous, half-assed, imaginary bullshit that some shithead told them about and they believed on zero evidence.

But when it is a symbol of unequal treatment of women, of subjugation, of silent misery, it makes me angry to see it because it is not consistent with the equal rights that I associate with our country.

That, if only subconsciously, is where this is probably coming from.

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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The latest poll on this issue showed 64% of Quebec’s population backed the bill. One of the issue in Quebec is that the French (I’m French Canadian) are affraid of getting assimilated and fight toe and nails to keep their traditions which sometimes come off as racist. Quebec feels like it is the only important Canadian minority.

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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> there is clearly an actual obligation to wear a kippah, headscarf, or turban There is no obligation to wear anything. There is an "obligation" for some sects of Islam. But that does not mean anything in the domain of secular government. The truth is, most Muslims do NOT wear any special clothing. And even those that feel obligated to are not obligated to really; they are obligated to try, if possible. If they are n…

Sorry, but your post is completely ignorant of Islamic rulings.

The Quran never mentioned the hijab or any other specific veiling. It only mentioned modest dress. This has been mutated and distorted as applying only to women by despotic regimes and certain countries.

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> So why not agree on some middle ground. Transparent Headscarfs? Headscarfs made from hair-extensions? Something like that? Are you intentionally trying to sound like you're writing a South Park episode, or is that accidental?

You know what - seperation from society, aka the public plaza from any religion and attempts to impose religion like dogmas/rules/systems. It really is the most easy way out. Nobody gets to errect his borderwalls of textile or lack thereof in main street. We vote on a standard, and thats it. That way all those warmongers steering the soupkitchen of hate cant warm on the heat of the debate. The only solution is not to…

> and attempts to impose religion like dogmas/rules/systems

So why do you want to impose Christian religious standards of bare heads on Muslims?

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#46
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Weirdly, this bill would end up hurting Sikh men the most. And they are probably one of the most well integrated communities in Canada.

Sikhs are some of my favorite fellow Canadians. The Sikh community puts a lot of effort into really integrating into the Canadian culture and it shows.

It really helps that Sikhism is a relatively young religion that didn't ask that much of individuals. We're just "below the fold" enough to not have too many prejudices attached to us. Even the keeping hair / turban stuff isn't really required unless you want to.

Come to think of it, that's probably true of most Hindus too. I think it's just the Abrahamic religions that have too deep a history of conflicts within the western world.

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know what - seperation from society, aka the public plaza from any religion and attempts to impose religion like dogmas/rules/systems. It really is the most easy way out. Nobody gets to errect his borderwalls of textile or lack thereof in main street. We vote on a standard, and thats it. That way all those warmongers steering the soupkitchen of hate cant warm on the heat of the debate. The only solution is not to…

> and attempts to impose religion like dogmas/rules/systems So why do you want to impose Christian religious standards of bare heads on Muslims?

Bare heads is our default, is it not?

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but your post is completely ignorant of Islamic rulings.

The Quran never mentioned the hijab or any other specific veiling. It only mentioned modest dress. This has been mutated and distorted as applying only to women by despotic regimes and certain countries.

Dressing modestly includes the veil. Furthermore, there are authentic Hadiths, as well as accounts of the Companions that are used for litigation. We know for certain that women used to cover their hair by narrations and historic accounts, and they did that because it was part of the religion.

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and attempts to impose religion like dogmas/rules/systems So why do you want to impose Christian religious standards of bare heads on Muslims?

Bare heads is our default, is it not?

Bare everything is our default, but you don't see society forcing people to go around naked.

Re: A Canadian Bill Proposes Barring Public Employees from Wearing Head Scarves

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Quran never mentioned the hijab or any other specific veiling. It only mentioned modest dress. This has been mutated and distorted as applying only to women by despotic regimes and certain countries.

Dressing modestly includes the veil. Furthermore, there are authentic Hadiths, as well as accounts of the Companions that are used for litigation. We know for certain that women used to cover their hair by narrations and historic accounts, and they did that because it was part of the religion.

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